Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Balkenreich]

Quite, random Patrols by various state national guards and border patrols should do the trick as well.

maybe drones.

I was actually talking with my dad about this the other day, and non-militarized sentinel drones that can help coverage along the border with a constant video feed that border patrol agents can tap into would be an excellent idea.

As long as, you know, we don't militarize the drones. We have the technology already.

What could we possibly DO to arm the drones designed for monitoring the border?

"Bob, what did you do your drone?" "I modified it to play audio."

*MEANWHILE

"CRAAAAAAWLLLLLING IN MY SKIN!!!!! THESE WOUN-"

"Ah, see, back over the fence they go."

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

Calm down Captain Planet, your rights to speak for all of humanity, myself included, is temporarily suspended.

The electoral college's job is to represent their constituency. Those that went blue are to go for Clinton which was the democratic candidate, those that went red are to go for Trump which was the Republican candidate. Any deviation from such noting indicates will happen, and if it did happen which would be unprecedented it would trigger a constitutional crisis. More importantly, the 290 Trump electorates are not going to shoot themselves in the foot as they have their job in part thanks to Trump. Think of them as Trump's trusty little army.

Id rather see a constitutional crisis and the electoral college doing its job by denying this man the presidency then see the environment destroyed and the country I know cease to exist.

I think you need to review something. It's therapeutic.

[Telconi]

Your life is in jeopardy. How''s it feel to live under policies that literally couldn't care less about you or yours? Secondly, it''s counterproductive to presume why people voted, it seems to be an earmark of the American Left to presume everyone who disagrees with this is "hateful", "stupid", or "angry". Has it ever occurred to you that there are people in this world who benifit from republican ideology? Lastly, the Electoral College "MUST" do nothing. They are in no way required to entertain your selfish fantasies about overturning the election.

So if I as LGBT was a hate crime victim as a result of this man becoming President you'd say I dont care? If i lost my rights you say too bad? Its not a selfish fantasy. Its the right thing to do.

If you care, fix your broken party. People I know have died because of idiot Democrat policies. People I know have lost property or opportunity because of idiot Democrat policies, myself included. People I know have been victims of hate crimes, because idiot Democrat's supported the hatred. Turnabout is fair play, and as long as we support two parties of hatred, revenge is all you'll ever acheive.

[Valaran]

How many times do we have to explain this to you: the electoral votes must be counted and certified by Congress, and Congress has the power to challenge and ignore electoral votes.

and then what would they do install Trump? That's not how the Founding Fathers intended it. If they were alive today they'd be demanding that the Electoral College deny him the Presidency.

San Lumen, your hysterics on this thread are increasingly becoming counter-productive to the advancement of your views. Since I happen to share many of those views, every time you attempt to exaggerate the effects of a Trump presidency to justify a subversion of the electoral process, the image (and thus the standing) of progressives and Clinton supporters is being denigrated in the eyes of fellow Americans.

[Crockerland]

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

From Article II, section I of the United States constitution:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So no, you're wrong.

[Herskerstad]

getting a voter ID is honest to god easier than Voting.

I mean, I am registered to vote and I made sure my name was on the records.

Even without Voter ID laws, the main reason you want to have an ID anyways is because it is inconvenient as shit to vote if you don't.

Ironically Clinton 'Bill' produced a perfect solution.

Have the ID at the social security card. Everyone is obligated to have that and the information processed for such would determine the validity of the vote.

It does not have to be any harder than that, and both those who want the votes unmistakeable, and those who want voting to be as easy as logistically possible, could be satisfied. No dead relatives, no illegal votes. Just orderly, simple voting.

[Arlenton]

Calm down Captain Planet, your rights to speak for all of humanity, myself included, is temporarily suspended.

The electoral college's job is to represent their constituency. Those that went blue are to go for Clinton which was the democratic candidate, those that went red are to go for Trump which was the Republican candidate. Any deviation from such noting indicates will happen, and if it did happen which would be unprecedented it would trigger a constitutional crisis. More importantly, the 290 Trump electorates are not going to shoot themselves in the foot as they have their job in part thanks to Trump. Think of them as Trump's trusty little army.

Id rather see a constitutional crisis and the electoral college doing its job by denying this man the presidency then see the environment destroyed and the country I know cease to exist.

So because his views don't fit your, he shouldn't be president? No, not anyone else, just you.

[San Lumen]

Uh, did you miss the past few days, pal? Election ended already.

It's, uh. Already over. You didn't win. Just because a few diehard SJWs in California get pissed and riot and burn shit down while ironically waving flags that say "What would Gandhi do", doesn't mean the whole country should bend over backwards and hand them a "get out of democracy free" card.

Democracy took its course, Clinton only won the popular vote by around 1% and Trump won the electoral votes. It's over. He won.

This is not the time to get mad and try to change the system just because democracy didn't go to your favor. This is the time to unify, and accept the presidency, no matter the outcome - we have to come together under one flag and better our nation, our people, and at least give the poor chap a chance before you try and assassinate him. I mean, he literally doesn't get into office until months later.

The outrage is totally unjustified, and simply childish. The people who keep pushing for a take-back on democracy just because they don't like the result is making me ashamed to be an American.

You all need to grow up.

What makes me ashamed to be American is that this man won and that people aren't demanding he and his running mate decline to be elected or the electoral college overturn turn it or Congress bar him from office. The Founding Fathers if they were alive today would be demanding it.

[Knockturn Alley]

According to you. A sufficient number of people think otherwise to put him in office.

Still not even the larger plurality.

Which is irrelevant since america was not intended to be democratic with regards to election. He won according to the system in place and one cannot arbitrarily and retroactively change that by calling the system obsolete.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

Oh yeah, he said a couple off-colored jokes when he was alone with friends!

Unqualified for presidency for huwting muy feewings!!!

Oh boy, he said a couple politically incorrect statements. Better lynch the guy, amirite?

[Arlenton]

and then what would they do install Trump? That's not how the Founding Fathers intended it. If they were alive today they'd be demanding that the Electoral College deny him the Presidency.

San Lumen, your hysterics on this thread are increasingly becoming counter-productive to the advancement of your views. Since I happen to share many of those views, every time you attempt to exaggerate the effects of a Trump presidency to justify a subversion of the electoral process, the image (and thus the standing) of progressives and Clinton supporters is being denigrated in the eyes of fellow Americans.

Literally giving ammunition for the Rust Belt Offensive™ in 2020!

[Washington Resistance Army]

But he's not a liberal!!!

No, HE'S NEVER HELD PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE.

Forgive me if I consider that something of a pre-requisite.

Had it been literally anyone else, I'd be far more okay with this. But since it was Donald "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing" Trump, I am not.

Well the result isn't changing so I'd get used to saying President Trump. Like, damn, I don't like Trump and I don't like the electoral college but you people are being obnoxious.

He meets all the requirements to become POTUS, having the electoral college elect someone who has already conceded defeat would just be bad all around.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean, I am registered to vote and I made sure my name was on the records.

Even without Voter ID laws, the main reason you want to have an ID anyways is because it is inconvenient as shit to vote if you don't.

Ironically Clinton 'Bill' produced a perfect solution.

Have the ID at the social security card. Everyone is obligated to have that and the information processed for such would determine the validity of the vote.

It does not have to be any harder than that, and both those who want the votes unmistakeable, and those who want voting to be as easy as logistically possible, could be satisfied. No dead relatives, no illegal votes. Just orderly, simple voting.

I see where Clinton is coming from.

But Social Security Numbers are among one of the things that are really outdated in terms of anti-forgery measures.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

What makes me ashamed to be American is that this man won and that people aren't demanding he and his running mate decline to be elected or the electoral college overturn turn it or Congress bar him from office. The Founding Fathers if they were alive today would be demanding it.

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

[Valaran]

San Lumen, your hysterics on this thread are increasingly becoming counter-productive to the advancement of your views. Since I happen to share many of those views, every time you attempt to exaggerate the effects of a Trump presidency to justify a subversion of the electoral process, the image (and thus the standing) of progressives and Clinton supporters is being denigrated in the eyes of fellow Americans.

Literally giving ammunition for the Rust Belt Offensive™ in 2020!

That too, though I was referring to moral standing as much as political perceptions.

[Valrifell]

Still not even the larger plurality.

Which is irrelevant since america was not intended to be democratic with regards to election. He won according to the system in place and one cannot arbitrarily and retroactively change that by calling the system obsolete.

Just sayin' but if the system was never intended to be Democratic, all the more reason for faithless electors to vote Clinton, which is not calling the system obsolete.

I feel like the whole discussion has really given a bad name to anyone who never really liked the Electoral College (you need look no further than CGP Grey's comments on his latest Electoral College video), I was on the fence about it for a really long time, and a few months ago started to support a reform for it.

[Arlenton]

According to you. A sufficient number of people think otherwise to put him in office.

Still not even the larger plurality.

Still doesn't matter though.

[Ebliania]

San Lumen, your hysterics on this thread are increasingly becoming counter-productive to the advancement of your views. Since I happen to share many of those views, every time you attempt to exaggerate the effects of a Trump presidency to justify a subversion of the electoral process, the image (and thus the standing) of progressives and Clinton supporters is being denigrated in the eyes of fellow Americans.

Literally giving ammunition for the Rust Belt Offensive™ in 2020!

Hey, that was my name for it!

Fucking crony capitalism...

[San Lumen]

What makes me ashamed to be American is that this man won and that people aren't demanding he and his running mate decline to be elected or the electoral college overturn turn it or Congress bar him from office. The Founding Fathers if they were alive today would be demanding it.

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

[Herskerstad]

Calm down Captain Planet, your rights to speak for all of humanity, myself included, is temporarily suspended.

The electoral college's job is to represent their constituency. Those that went blue are to go for Clinton which was the democratic candidate, those that went red are to go for Trump which was the Republican candidate. Any deviation from such noting indicates will happen, and if it did happen which would be unprecedented it would trigger a constitutional crisis. More importantly, the 290 Trump electorates are not going to shoot themselves in the foot as they have their job in part thanks to Trump. Think of them as Trump's trusty little army.

Id rather see a constitutional crisis and the electoral college doing its job by denying this man the presidency then see the environment destroyed and the country I know cease to exist.

You are again mistaking desire for intent. The intent of the electoral college is to do what it has always so far done. That's it's job. You might desire it to function in a different way, but say the tables were turned and Clinton won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote. Could you imagine the outcry if for whatever odd reason the electoral college then switched to Trump?

About the most basic qualifier one can pose is how would you like it if it was done to you? And no, you defining what you already intend as it's job is simply not reflective of reality and if I may make a guess of my own, your predictions stand equally flawed. Thank God Hillary did not become president, if the state was to function like the DNC did in her advantage then that is ample reason alone to deny her the job after losing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally giving ammunition for the Rust Belt Offensive™ in 2020!

Hey, that was my name for it!

Fucking crony capitalism...

Shoulda gotten a trademark.

[Balkenreich]

Hey, that was my name for it!

Fucking crony capitalism...

Shoulda gotten a trademark.

I smell an ANCAP meme.

[Valrifell]

No, HE'S NEVER HELD PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE.

Forgive me if I consider that something of a pre-requisite.

Had it been literally anyone else, I'd be far more okay with this. But since it was Donald "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing" Trump, I am not.

Well the result isn't changing so I'd get used to saying President Trump. Like, damn, I don't like Trump and I don't like the electoral college but you people are being obnoxious.

He meets all the requirements to become POTUS, having the electoral college elect someone who has already conceded defeat would just be bad all around.

I'm not saying President Trump because I've never said President Obama or President Bush, I've only called them by their last name, that's not changing . I am also taking some kind of offense to the "you people" comment. I assure you, barring that garish formatting, I have not really attempted to be emotional, angry, or otherwise obnoxious. I like to think I did a good job at keeping it that way too. You'll also take note that I really haven't advocated for the EC to elect Clinton, just that it should be reformed or abolished outright and replaced (with what, I have no idea).

That aside, it still really is a fact that Donald Trump is literally the least experienced president ever. The rest have either had military experience or prior government experience.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

Are you seriously arguing for less than 300,000 people? Do you have any idea how little that is in an election?

She won by literally 1%.

The electoral college was made for this kinda thing, was it not?

[Kravanica]

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

The US is not every other country in the world. And only about 25% of the people voted for either candidate.