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Postby Kravanica » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kravanica wrote:It would need to be approved by Congress which would never happen.

No it wouldn't. It would be doing their job.

Did you even read what I said?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:57 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Its not the same as what my country just did. My very safety is now in jeopardy. The electoral college should overturn the election and if the people who voted to return to a society that no longer exists are upset i could care less. I'm not willing to see the country i used to love destroyed for people who voted out of anger instead of with their head. The Electoral College should and MUST overrun the result or its not doing its job. It WAS designed for this very purpose to prevent someone unqualified from taking office.



Your life is in jeopardy. How''s it feel to live under policies that literally couldn't care less about you or yours? Secondly, it''s counterproductive to presume why people voted, it seems to be an earmark of the American Left to presume everyone who disagrees with this is "hateful", "stupid", or "angry". Has it ever occurred to you that there are people in this world who benifit from republican ideology? Lastly, the Electoral College "MUST" do nothing. They are in no way required to entertain your selfish fantasies about overturning the election.

So if I as LGBT was a hate crime victim as a result of this man becoming President you'd say I dont care? If i lost my rights you say too bad? Its not a selfish fantasy. Its the right thing to do.

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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:57 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No it wouldn't. It would be doing their job.

Did you even read what I said?

sad thing is that this backdoor even exists

its what the Founding Fathers wanted all along

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Postby Crockerland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:57 pm

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I did not say all inner cities nor did he, but some have casualities each year that resemble world war II battles and under what circumstance is that acceptable? The democrats sure as shit has done jack all to fix it there so this may be a blessing. The electoral college has a job, and that is, regardless of the popular vote, to hand over the states won by majority to the one who won them. The only way Trump could lose is if the electoral college did not do it's job and that's simply not going to happen. And impeached by what, a majority Republican control over all layers of government, fat chance. And is that what you'd really want? Because Pence might take over from that and then you might actually have something to worry about.

As far as the predictions go 4 years down the line, who knows, but I will frankly consider you an unreliable source at best to predict them as you seem to consider every hypothetical against Trump in chronological order and I am telling you. Your expectations will in part be betrayed.

The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both.

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:58 pm

Crockerland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both.

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.


But he's not a liberal!!!
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:58 pm

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Kravanica wrote:It would need to be approved by Congress which would never happen.

No it wouldn't. It would be doing their job.

How many times do we have to explain this to you: the electoral votes must be counted and certified by Congress, and Congress has the power to challenge and ignore electoral votes.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:58 pm

Crockerland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both.

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:58 pm

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I did not say all inner cities nor did he, but some have casualities each year that resemble world war II battles and under what circumstance is that acceptable? The democrats sure as shit has done jack all to fix it there so this may be a blessing. The electoral college has a job, and that is, regardless of the popular vote, to hand over the states won by majority to the one who won them. The only way Trump could lose is if the electoral college did not do it's job and that's simply not going to happen. And impeached by what, a majority Republican control over all layers of government, fat chance. And is that what you'd really want? Because Pence might take over from that and then you might actually have something to worry about.

As far as the predictions go 4 years down the line, who knows, but I will frankly consider you an unreliable source at best to predict them as you seem to consider every hypothetical against Trump in chronological order and I am telling you. Your expectations will in part be betrayed.

The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both. He did not win the popular vote. The Electoral college would not be doing their job if they allowed him to become President. Democracy and the planet depends on it. And although Mike Pence is scary at least he has the temperament to be President but id like to see him impeached too for his extremist comments.


Calm down Captain Planet, your rights to speak for all of humanity, myself included, is temporarily suspended.

The electoral college's job is to represent their constituency. Those that went blue are to go for Clinton which was the democratic candidate, those that went red are to go for Trump which was the Republican candidate. Any deviation from such noting indicates will happen, and if it did happen which would be unprecedented it would trigger a constitutional crisis. More importantly, the 290 Trump electorates are not going to shoot themselves in the foot as they have their job in part thanks to Trump. Think of them as Trump's trusty little army.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:58 pm

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The wall IS basically just a fence, which i dont see the problem with.

a wall like what most people see as well....a wall.... would be far too damn expensive



I see it as ineffective, potentially counter-productive, and against some of my more cherished values. However Trump has been elected, so I'll take some measly fence over what he initially said he would plan to do.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

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Honestly, when he reeled back on the whole solid wall thing to a chain link fence I was relieved.

I mean, hopefully he's more efficient than that and instead of redoing the wall only tries to finish Bush's wall project. It'd be cheaper than redoing the entire border.


Quite, random Patrols by various state national guards and border patrols should do the trick as well.

maybe drones.



I was actually talking with my dad about this the other day, and non-militarized sentinel drones that can help coverage along the border with a constant video feed that border patrol agents can tap into would be an excellent idea.

As long as, you know, we don't militarize the drones. We have the technology already.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.


Bro you're just wrong. He is entirely qualified.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No it wouldn't. It would be doing their job.

How many times do we have to explain this to you: the electoral votes must be counted and certified by Congress, and Congress has the power to challenge and ignore electoral votes.

and then what would they do install Trump? That's not how the Founding Fathers intended it. If they were alive today they'd be demanding that the Electoral College deny him the Presidency.

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Postby Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.


This is a rather bare minimum, as far as qualifications go.
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Postby Settrah » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.


And Hilary is, obviously?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:59 pm

Crockerland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both.

Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

And unless proven mentally incompetent by a doctor, he's fit to hold office.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.


But he's not a liberal!!!


No, HE'S NEVER HELD PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE.

Forgive me if I consider that something of a pre-requisite.

Had it been literally anyone else, I'd be far more okay with this. But since it was Donald "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing" Trump, I am not.
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:00 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

And unless proven mentally incompetent by a doctor, he's fit to hold office.

Send in some liberal doctors then 8)

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Postby Knockturn Alley » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.


You keep saying that without citing which law is it that makes him unfit
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

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San Lumen wrote:The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both. He did not win the popular vote. The Electoral college would not be doing their job if they allowed him to become President. Democracy and the planet depends on it. And although Mike Pence is scary at least he has the temperament to be President but id like to see him impeached too for his extremist comments.


Calm down Captain Planet, your rights to speak for all of humanity, myself included, is temporarily suspended.

The electoral college's job is to represent their constituency. Those that went blue are to go for Clinton which was the democratic candidate, those that went red are to go for Trump which was the Republican candidate. Any deviation from such noting indicates will happen, and if it did happen which would be unprecedented it would trigger a constitutional crisis. More importantly, the 290 Trump electorates are not going to shoot themselves in the foot as they have their job in part thanks to Trump. Think of them as Trump's trusty little army.

Id rather see a constitutional crisis and the electoral college doing its job by denying this man the presidency then see the environment destroyed and the country I know cease to exist.

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Postby Kravanica » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Trump is over 35 years old and was born a citizen of the United States, so no, you are mistaken, he is completely qualified.

No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

According to you. A sufficient number of people think otherwise to put him in office.

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Postby Marxistische Republik von Deutschland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

Uh, did you miss the past few days, pal? Election ended already.

It's, uh. Already over. You didn't win. Just because a few diehard SJWs in California get pissed and riot and burn shit down while ironically waving flags that say "What would Gandhi do", doesn't mean the whole country should bend over backwards and hand them a "get out of democracy free" card.

Democracy took its course, Clinton only won the popular vote by around 1% and Trump won the electoral votes. It's over. He won.

This is not the time to get mad and try to change the system just because democracy didn't go to your favor. This is the time to unify, and accept the presidency, no matter the outcome - we have to come together under one flag and better our nation, our people, and at least give the poor chap a chance before you try and assassinate him. I mean, he literally doesn't get into office until months later.

The outrage is totally unjustified, and simply childish. The people who keep pushing for a take-back on democracy just because they don't like the result is making me ashamed to be an American.

You all need to grow up.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:How many times do we have to explain this to you: the electoral votes must be counted and certified by Congress, and Congress has the power to challenge and ignore electoral votes.

and then what would they do install Trump?

Congress chooses the president if nobody has enough electoral votes to win outright.
That's not how the Founding Fathers intended it. If they were alive today they'd be demanding that the Electoral College deny him the Presidency.

And you know this how? Did you jump in your time machine and ask them?
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Postby Settrah » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

Denying someone a presidency because you don't like them, is dangerously close to suppressing opposition.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:01 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No he is not. Someone who has said what he said and done what he has done he is not qualified or fit for the job.

According to you. A sufficient number of people think otherwise to put him in office.


Still not even the larger plurality.
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