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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:44 pm

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San Lumen wrote:The Environment will be destroyed by his polices. My rights may very well be taken away by the Supreme Court. Someone with his temperament could cause Nuclear war. He has no business being President and both he and Pence should decline to be elected.


They won't, if there was a snowballs chance in the sixth layer of hell that Clinton could have schemed herself out of an electoral defeat she would not have surrendered. People that are given a mandate spesifically for casting their vote for said candidate will not magically turn. These protests sure as shit will not amount to anything. And what the hell are these rights you are so afraid of losing? He's not going to touch the LGBT issues and he has not been particularly ill willed towards the T either.

If you think anything other than four years of the Trump is going to happen, then you are doing yourself a disservice. He won, flawed as one may think the system to be. He won against several institutional handicaps even. Fucking unstumpable as he is.


The Supreme Court could undo decades of progress including my right to marry and adopt children
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Postby Nordic Saxony » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:44 pm

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San Lumen wrote:You won't lose any rights. But millions of African Americans and other minorities could lose theirs


I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?

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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?


He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!

Then he'll put liberals inside FEMA camps!

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Postby Balkenreich » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:45 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You won't lose any rights. But millions of African Americans and other minorities could lose theirs


I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?


He deport you, despite you being one americanized d0de.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?


He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

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I see that you brought up the fact that Dems were the ones who opposed slavery, to which I raise that it was a Democratic president that also ended segregation and a Republican that went with the Southern Strategy.

Shocking concept, I know, but bear with. But maybe, juuussstt maybe, things tend to change over the course of a century.

This is in reference to the fact that people do not seem to care to actually look into things other than what they want to hear, it's stupid.

People need to read policies and so on to actually understand and gain a concept of what's going on and why Trump is the right choice and deserved winner.


They don't hear that because it's fucking irrelevant to the current conversation. I'll also note that, if I follow correctly (which I'm probably not, but let's see where this goes), then you're basically saying that minority groups are out of touch with reality? Unless you're saying liberals as a collective are out of touch, but that brings into question the necessity of the slavery thing.

The second half of your post is purely subjective, not everyone is going to benefit from a Trump presidency and some (if not most) will turn out to be losers. There will be those who disagree with him and you and we're not all suddenly going to fall in line because you said he's the greatest.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?


BOTH

Ebliania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!

Then he'll put liberals inside FEMA camps!


Before or after he nukes the blue states?
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Postby Nordic Saxony » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?

that's a tough one

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?

You might just get deported last. Have to wait at the back of the line that way. *nod*
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You won't lose any rights. But millions of African Americans and other minorities could lose theirs


I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?

Lets see. A republican state legislature might make it very difficult for you to vote. They could be increased violence against non whites which has already started.

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Postby Eol Sha » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?

Depends on whether you're an immigrant or not. Are you a mulatto immigrant from Colombia? Looks like you've been deported to Cape Town.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Nordic Saxony wrote:How is what I said irony? Are you another "my feelings are going to be hurt, please don't hurt them" kinda guys?

Because you lot are really doing my head in.


It might help if you make fewer non-sequiturs.
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Postby Settrah » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:47 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's gonna deport you man.

Right over the wall!


If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?


You get deported half way around the world for one demographic, but then another half world distance for the other. After a complete 360 you end up back on American soil just in time for an hilariously ironic Thanksgiving. Hallelujah.
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Postby Kravanica » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?

Lets see. A republican state legislature might make it very difficult for you to vote. They could be increased violence against non whites which has already started.

Sauce.
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ebliania wrote:Then he'll put liberals inside FEMA camps!


Before or after he nukes the blue states?

After. Then he nukes Kentucky because the grass was too blue for him.

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Postby Nordic Saxony » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:48 pm

Valaran wrote:
Nordic Saxony wrote:How is what I said irony? Are you another "my feelings are going to be hurt, please don't hurt them" kinda guys?

Because you lot are really doing my head in.


It might help if you make fewer non-sequiturs.

:rofl:

What do you think will happen first? The wall or Hillary in prison?

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:48 pm

Settrah wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
If I'm both black and latino does it mean I get deported twice as fast or do I get deported twice as far?


You get deported half way around the world for one demographic, but then another half world distance for the other. After a complete 360 you get up back on American soil. Hallelujah.

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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:48 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Lets see. A republican state legislature might make it very difficult for you to vote. They could be increased violence against non whites which has already started.

Sauce.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:48 pm

Ebliania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Before or after he nukes the blue states?

After. Then he nukes Kentucky because the grass was too blue for him.


Poor Kentucky :(
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:49 pm

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I mean what rights of African Americans have Trump said he would curtail? Or is this an exercise in clairvoyance on behalf of a collective race?

Or is it a critique against his promise to clean up the inner cities which likely means a conflict with the gangs? Because man, that has been overdue for decades.

Id got some news for you. Many of the inner cities are not in the state he claims. Mine certainly isn't. If the electoral college doesn't do its job and he does become President its probable he doesn't complete his term. he will probably be impeached. And if he does serve four years he will probably be voted out after doing such a terrible job and running the country into ground but thats if the Republicans dont make election law such that they cannot lose.


I did not say all inner cities nor did he, but some have casualities each year that resemble world war II battles and under what circumstance is that acceptable? The democrats sure as shit has done jack all to fix it there so this may be a blessing. The electoral college has a job, and that is, regardless of the popular vote, to hand over the states won by majority to the one who won them. The only way Trump could lose is if the electoral college did not do it's job and that's simply not going to happen. And impeached by what, a majority Republican control over all layers of government, fat chance. And is that what you'd really want? Because Pence might take over from that and then you might actually have something to worry about.

As far as the predictions go 4 years down the line, who knows, but I will frankly consider you an unreliable source at best to predict them as you seem to consider every hypothetical against Trump in chronological order and I am telling you. Your expectations will in part be betrayed.
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:49 pm

Nordic Saxony wrote:
Valaran wrote:
It might help if you make fewer non-sequiturs.

:rofl:

What do you think will happen first? The wall or Hillary in prison?

that's a tough one

the nukes will come out first

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Postby Nordic Saxony » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:50 pm

Ebliania wrote:
Nordic Saxony wrote: :rofl:

What do you think will happen first? The wall or Hillary in prison?

that's a tough one

the nukes will come out first

microwaves are pretty cheap these days

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I'm a Latino immigrant, myself.

Can you explain to me just what kind of rights is Trump going to take away from me?

Lets see. A republican state legislature might make it very difficult for you to vote. They could be increased violence against non whites which has already started.


Dude, I am already in Texas and I had no problems voting this election season.

Violence could happen, yes, but so far here in Texas there hasn't been any reports about upticks, and in Dallas and other high urban areas around the state the police had been ready for a while to intervene in case of violence.

So, is there anything else that I should fear as a Latino?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:51 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Id got some news for you. Many of the inner cities are not in the state he claims. Mine certainly isn't. If the electoral college doesn't do its job and he does become President its probable he doesn't complete his term. he will probably be impeached. And if he does serve four years he will probably be voted out after doing such a terrible job and running the country into ground but thats if the Republicans dont make election law such that they cannot lose.


I did not say all inner cities nor did he, but some have casualities each year that resemble world war II battles and under what circumstance is that acceptable? The democrats sure as shit has done jack all to fix it there so this may be a blessing. The electoral college has a job, and that is, regardless of the popular vote, to hand over the states won by majority to the one who won them. The only way Trump could lose is if the electoral college did not do it's job and that's simply not going to happen. And impeached by what, a majority Republican control over all layers of government, fat chance. And is that what you'd really want? Because Pence might take over from that and then you might actually have something to worry about.

As far as the predictions go 4 years down the line, who knows, but I will frankly consider you an unreliable source at best to predict them as you seem to consider every hypothetical against Trump in chronological order and I am telling you. Your expectations will in part be betrayed.

The electoral college's job is not be a rubber stamp. It was designed to prevent someone unqualified and unfit to serve from becoming President and he is both. He did not win the popular vote. The Electoral college would not be doing their job if they allowed him to become President. Democracy and the planet depends on it. And although Mike Pence is scary at least he has the temperament to be President but id like to see him impeached too for his extremist comments.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:51 pm

Nordic Saxony wrote:
Valaran wrote:
It might help if you make fewer non-sequiturs.

:rofl:

What do you think will happen first? The wall or Hillary in prison?


I guess my advice went unheeded then.

I reckon you will see some token walls and mostly some additional fences (which appears to be the line that Trump has subsequently backtracked to) along the Mexican border, instead of either option you presented me with.
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