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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:47 pm

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Targovia wrote:No she won't. For the first time in the election, she was a good sport (unlike her supporters) and conceded. The election is done and the U.S. has made it's choice.

It's not technically done until the electoral college makes their pick. I hope they would choose the will of the people, but it seems unlikely, in all honesty. Not a reason not to try though.

If it were up to the will of the people the Electoral College would not be a thing anymore.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:48 pm

The cubs are #NotMyWorldChamps. We should give the championship to Indiana.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:49 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:It's not technically done until the electoral college makes their pick. I hope they would choose the will of the people, but it seems unlikely, in all honesty. Not a reason not to try though.

If it were up to the will of the people the Electoral College would not be a thing anymore.

Which is why it shouldn't be a thing anymore.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:50 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:The cubs are #NotMyWorldChamps. We should give the championship to Indiana.


There would be a war over that lol
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:52 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:The cubs are #NotMyWorldChamps. We should give the championship to Indiana.

The people on twitter with that hashtag need to grow the fuck up. Shocker the media talked out of its ass. Life isn't fucking fair so get over it. You think life was fair when my twin died, and their remains tampered with me in the womb?

Now I have to take medicine everyday to keep my body running normally. Life isn't fucking fair, and your tears are only fueling my ventures in the local salt mine.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:52 pm

I saw a comment on Facebook that I think nails it on the head, along these lines:

Do we want to open that Pandora's box? If Clinton supporters pull it off and convince the electors to be faithless in sufficient numbers, there is nothing stopping the GOP from doing likewise in the future. The electoral college is broken as hell already, but politicians still have every reason to focus their efforts on convincing Random Joe Public to vote for them and sway the popular vote. Do we really want to encourage them to ignore that completely in favor of trying to sway the electors directly? Nooooo. No we do not.
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Benuty wrote:Everyone here is more likely to have a giant octopus as their lover than for Hillary Clinton to be president.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:54 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:Actually, it's not cheating because it is clearly allowed by the US Constitution and would allow the election to be won by the person who had the most votes.

And yet it would still give the victory to the person that, according to the U.S system, lost.
It's the equivalent of opening your hand to make a paper after you saw that your opponent let his own closed when playing rock-paper-cissor.
It sure ain't forbidden but still is douchy and un-gentlemanly.
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Postby Beowstyn » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:55 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:The cubs are #NotMyWorldChamps. We should give the championship to Indiana.


Basically what's being said
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:56 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Bro, it's over. Trump won.

Technically he hasn't. Again one of the many reasons I don't like the electoral college is that the people, that includes those who voted for Trump, don't actually decide the president.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:57 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Bro, it's over. Trump won.

Technically he hasn't. Again one of the many reasons I don't like the electoral college is that the people, that includes those who voted for Trump, don't actually decide the president.

You know I don't recall this type of protest at all when Romney lost. People stated it, but they mainly petitioned for secession, and ranted online rather than protested like this.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:57 pm

Veridys wrote:No. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.

Actually if Trump got the popular vote and Clinton won the electoral college I'd still want the electoral college gone.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:58 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Do we want to open that Pandora's box?


Yes.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:58 pm

Benuty wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Technically he hasn't. Again one of the many reasons I don't like the electoral college is that the people, that includes those who voted for Trump, don't actually decide the president.

You know I don't recall this type of protest at all when Romney lost. People stated it, but they mainly petitioned for secession, and ranted online rather than protested like this.

Romney lost both the popular vote and the EC.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:58 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:Actually, it's not cheating because it is clearly allowed by the US Constitution and would allow the election to be won by the person who had the most votes.

And yet it would still give the victory to the person that, according to the U.S system, lost.
It's the equivalent of opening your hand to make a paper after you saw that your opponent let his own closed when playing rock-paper-cissor.
It sure ain't forbidden but still is douchy and un-gentlemanly.

According to the US system, she hasn't lost yet and electors don't have to choose Trump. Maybe it will finally be enough to get widespread bipartisan opposition to the electoral college.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:59 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:According to the US system, she hasn't lost yet and electors don't have to choose Trump. Maybe it will finally be enough to get widespread bipartisan opposition to the electoral college.

Or to officialize the rise of Populism.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:00 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Aelex wrote:And yet it would still give the victory to the person that, according to the U.S system, lost.
It's the equivalent of opening your hand to make a paper after you saw that your opponent let his own closed when playing rock-paper-cissor.
It sure ain't forbidden but still is douchy and un-gentlemanly.

According to the US system, she hasn't lost yet and electors don't have to choose Trump. Maybe it will finally be enough to get widespread bipartisan opposition to the electoral college.

If you want bipartisan opposition to the EC, you'd have to get them to make Romney or Rubio president or something.

Even less likely, though.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:01 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Technically he hasn't. Again one of the many reasons I don't like the electoral college is that the people, that includes those who voted for Trump, don't actually decide the president.

You know I don't recall this type of protest at all when Romney lost. People stated it, but they mainly petitioned for secession, and ranted online rather than protested like this.

That's because Romney lost by the electoral college and by the will of the people. Hillary won by the will of the people, but it seems she is about to lose by the electoral college.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:02 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:I saw a comment on Facebook that I think nails it on the head, along these lines:

Do we want to open that Pandora's box? If Clinton supporters pull it off and convince the electors to be faithless in sufficient numbers, there is nothing stopping the GOP from doing likewise in the future. The electoral college is broken as hell already, but politicians still have every reason to focus their efforts on convincing Random Joe Public to vote for them and sway the popular vote. Do we really want to encourage them to ignore that completely in favor of trying to sway the electors directly? Nooooo. No we do not.

The idea is that if somehow they manage to pull it off and Clinton becomes president. The republicans in congress would be so fucking mad that they would get rid of the electoral college.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:I saw a comment on Facebook that I think nails it on the head, along these lines:

Do we want to open that Pandora's box? If Clinton supporters pull it off and convince the electors to be faithless in sufficient numbers, there is nothing stopping the GOP from doing likewise in the future. The electoral college is broken as hell already, but politicians still have every reason to focus their efforts on convincing Random Joe Public to vote for them and sway the popular vote. Do we really want to encourage them to ignore that completely in favor of trying to sway the electors directly? Nooooo. No we do not.

The idea is that if somehow they manage to pull it off and Clinton becomes president. The republicans in congress would be so fucking mad that they would get rid of the electoral college.

And I doubt congressional democrats would mind. We would be rid of the electoral college in no time.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:04 pm

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Benuty wrote:You know I don't recall this type of protest at all when Romney lost. People stated it, but they mainly petitioned for secession, and ranted online rather than protested like this.

That's because Romney lost by the electoral college and by the will of the people. Hillary won by the will of the people, but it seems she is about to lose by the electoral college.

By the will of about a quarter of the people. Most people didn't vote, and I don't fucking blame them. Unless you want to install compulsory voting (which isn't a bad idea in my books) your will of the people idea's pretty baseless.
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Postby HUElavia » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:05 pm

The Frozen Forest wrote:Get over it, America voted in Donald Trump.


Correction, the rural areas of United States voted for Trump. In reality, the rural vote is what brought Trump into office.

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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:05 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:That's because Romney lost by the electoral college and by the will of the people. Hillary won by the will of the people, but it seems she is about to lose by the electoral college.

By the will of about a quarter of the people. Most people didn't vote, and I don't fucking blame them. Unless you want to install compulsory voting (which isn't a bad idea in my books) your will of the people idea's pretty baseless.

I think if we setup some secure method of smartphone voting, you'd get numbers near to compulsory numbers.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:06 pm

Benuty wrote:
Gyrenaica wrote:The cubs are #NotMyWorldChamps. We should give the championship to Indiana.

The people on twitter with that hashtag need to grow the fuck up. Shocker the media talked out of its ass. Life isn't fucking fair so get over it. You think life was fair when my twin died, and their remains tampered with me in the womb?

Now I have to take medicine everyday to keep my body running normally. Life isn't fucking fair, and your tears are only fueling my ventures in the local salt mine.

I am joking. Making a comparison to the #notmypresident movement. Sorry. Now I feel bad. :(
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:By the will of about a quarter of the people. Most people didn't vote, and I don't fucking blame them. Unless you want to install compulsory voting (which isn't a bad idea in my books) your will of the people idea's pretty baseless.

I think if we setup some secure method of smartphone voting, you'd get numbers near to compulsory numbers.

That might be a good idea if you could get it to work.

But here in Oz we get really high turnout from threatening small fines, and I suppose you might say heavy social expectation. And we use paper btw.
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