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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:35 pm

Novus America wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, he's more famous.

Fame has its own inertia.


He is famous because he knows how to be famous. He marketed himself which is key to politics.
He also ran is campaign in a way we said would never work. It did. He was right and we were wrong. He is not stupid, and remember his TV act is just an act. His TV character he plays is different than him. Fact is he does this better than we do.

I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He is famous because he knows how to be famous. He marketed himself which is key to politics.
He also ran is campaign in a way we said would never work. It did. He was right and we were wrong. He is not stupid, and remember his TV act is just an act. His TV character he plays is different than him. Fact is he does this better than we do.

I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.

You own a time machine?

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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:36 pm

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Galloism wrote:And there goes world war 3.

Will you two stop trying to get us into a global war? An idiot has been elected president. We will survive, provided people don't flip the fuck out and get all the mutual protection pacts and so forth nullified so that aggressive nations feel free to expand their territory and start a global conflict.


Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.

You also have to want the job in the first place. Just because he was the better political strategist this go around does not make him generally more intelligent than anyone.
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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:38 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?

About fifty years too late and billions of dollars too short.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:38 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?


Unfortunately we're a few months late to ask Castro to lead, yes.

Well, he did say he'd only die when America fell...
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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:38 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?


It is never too late, comrade.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:38 pm

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Arlenton wrote:And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.


We have a separate F-35 thread, but you are way late on that. We already spent the money. Sure in hindsight we could maybe have spent less and hopefully improve our procurement process in the future but what is done is done.

And the US military says it cannot fulfill its commitments currently, ships are literally breaking down because we have too many missions, not enough ships. Sure we need to spend money better, but further cutting the military in such a dangerous environment is a very bad idea.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:39 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.

You own a time machine?

No, he just owns a TV with access to the news.
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Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?


It is never too late, comrade.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:40 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.

You own a time machine?


Yes, actually, but that's not why I say this. Like all sapient beings, I have the ability to recognize patterns and make future predictions based on historical patterns that are somewhat close to accuracy in most cases.

If you decided to get brain surgery from Larry the Cable Guy I would predict disaster, in the same way I do with Donald Trump and president. However, in the case of Donald and the presidency, we did actually put into place a lot of things to limit the power of the presidency just in case an unhinged person got into office. Now, unfortunately, those have been weakened over the last... well, 80 years give or take, but there are still a substantial number of them there. That probably means we won't have a global thermonuclear war or a world war or a complete and utter economic collapse, but his thin skinned short fuse is going to be a liability.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:40 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Unfortunately we're a few months late to ask Castro to lead, yes.

Well, he did say he'd only die when America fell...


He also said a lot of things that haven't come true yet about what would happen in his lifetime, thankfully.

Arlenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.

You own a time machine?


Tbf, as a conservative I think my highest hopes for Trump are mediocrity. But at least he won't be actively leading the country down the primrose path like Clinton would have, so there is that.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:40 pm

East Klent wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.

You also have to want the job in the first place. Just because he was the better political strategist this go around does not make him generally more intelligent than anyone.


Sure, but it makes him more intelligent at political strategy. Which takes intelligence. Yes he is eccentric and unconventional. But he is not stupid. Not necessarily smarter in every respect, I never said he was. Just that he is not stupid.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:40 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You own a time machine?

No, he just owns a TV with access to the news.
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I also own a TV. And on it Trump isn't even president yet.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:44 pm

Kentlaand wrote:Trump won the presidency fair and square. You can call for reform, as many (including myself) are. However, you CAN NOT undermine the results of a fair election just because you disagree with the methods involved. The country is already divided enough by the events of the past months, and switching the outcome of the presidential election will only serve to strengthen that divide. As much as I'd love to not have Trump in office (Not that I'd necessarily want Hillary there either,) the best course of action I believe this country could take is the smooth, uneventful transition of power.


If the way destroys 2 million people's voices, then it's a different case.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:45 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Well, he did say he'd only die when America fell...


He also said a lot of things that haven't come true yet about what would happen in his lifetime, thankfully.

A girl can dream, can't she?
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Arcturus Novus wrote:No, he just owns a TV with access to the news.

I also own a TV. And on it Trump isn't even president yet.

What I'm getting at here is that Trump has displayed himself as a complete garbage fire of a human being thus far, and will likely be just as awful as president.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:46 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.

You own a time machine?


No experience, unclear goals with about loads of campaign promises given up, appointments looking bad.

Not looking good so far.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:46 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
He also said a lot of things that haven't come true yet about what would happen in his lifetime, thankfully.

A girl can dream, can't she?
Arlenton wrote:I also own a TV. And on it Trump isn't even president yet.

What I'm getting at here is that Trump has displayed himself as a complete garbage fire of a human being thus far, and will likely be just as awful as president.

Which (being on point) is a good reason for the EC to dump him.

They won't of course, but it is a good reason.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:46 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You own a time machine?


No experience, unclear goals with about loads of campaign promises given up, appointments looking bad.

Not looking good so far.

Actually, him giving up his campaign promises is probably the most encouraging thing about him so far.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:47 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You own a time machine?


No experience, unclear goals with about loads of campaign promises given up, appointments looking bad.

Not looking good so far.

I think most of these appointments are 10/10.

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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He is famous because he knows how to be famous. He marketed himself which is key to politics.
He also ran is campaign in a way we said would never work. It did. He was right and we were wrong. He is not stupid, and remember his TV act is just an act. His TV character he plays is different than him. Fact is he does this better than we do.

I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.


He made his fame though. Sure I have a problems with him but I do not have any reason to think he will be a disaster. Plenty of presidents have had a short fuse and temper. Of course some like LBJ and Nixon actually did cause disaster, but not by talking or tweeting. Trump is much more bark than bite. Be worried about the short tempered with bite.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:49 pm

Novus America wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't know if he does this better than I do or not. I've never tried.

Point of fact, he is famous and used his fame to get elected. He's thin skinned and has a short temper and is going to be a complete disaster as president, which is why he suddenly starts tweeting at 3am about random shit he's upset about that morning. We're going to have to buck up and deal with it.


He made his fame though.


So did the Kardashians.

Sure I have a problems with him but I do not have any reason to think he will be a disaster.


Then you haven't been paying attention. He's already screwing up foreign policy and he's not even president yet.

Plenty of presidents have had a short fuse and temper. Of course some like LBJ and Nixon actually did cause disaster, but not by talking or tweeting. Trump is much more bark than bite. Be worried about the short tempered with bite.


I think we've seen that he has plenty of bite.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:51 pm

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Kentlaand wrote:Trump won the presidency fair and square. You can call for reform, as many (including myself) are. However, you CAN NOT undermine the results of a fair election just because you disagree with the methods involved. The country is already divided enough by the events of the past months, and switching the outcome of the presidential election will only serve to strengthen that divide. As much as I'd love to not have Trump in office (Not that I'd necessarily want Hillary there either,) the best course of action I believe this country could take is the smooth, uneventful transition of power.


If the way destroys 2 million people's voices, then it's a different case.


Let's be real here, they made to choice to live in Cali. It isn't the country's job to shield people from the consequences of their own bad decisions.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:53 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
If the way destroys 2 million people's voices, then it's a different case.


Let's be real here, they made to choice to live in Cali. It isn't the country's job to shield people from the consequences of their own bad decisions.

What're they supposed to do, just uproot and move to Ohio where their votes will actually matter?
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:56 pm

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He made his fame though.


So did the Kardashians.

Sure I have a problems with him but I do not have any reason to think he will be a disaster.


Then you haven't been paying attention. He's already screwing up foreign policy and he's not even president yet.

Plenty of presidents have had a short fuse and temper. Of course some like LBJ and Nixon actually did cause disaster, but not by talking or tweeting. Trump is much more bark than bite. Be worried about the short tempered with bite.


I think we've seen that he has plenty of bite.


And so did Hillary make herself famous. And Obama. You have to do it for politics.

See a lot of this is subjective. Yes he pissed off China with the Taiwan thing. Which is good. It is nice to have a president who does not cravenly suck China's metaphorical dick.
A lot of people believe China needs to learn they do not rule the world, and cannot do whatever they want. Taiwan is not part of China, the one China thing is an absurd fiction.

So far I have not seen any bite. For all his talk he actually does not do very much. Now I would rather someone I though would do more good, but the thing with Carrier was encouraging.

Pence did all the real work, but Trumps talking worked well there. Sort of a good cop bad cop thing.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:56 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Let's be real here, they made to choice to live in Cali. It isn't the country's job to shield people from the consequences of their own bad decisions.

What're they supposed to do, just uproot and move to Ohio where their votes will actually matter?


If they cared about politics they shouldn't have lived in a Pit of Liberal Degeneracy (tm). Such low information voters shouldn't control the country anyway.

Though I'd opt more for Wyoming, they could use some cheap migrant labor.
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