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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:20 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:He will have to compromise when it is necessary. If people in his own party block him, then he would have to.

Yes, I know, that is my point.

Oh I see.

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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:21 pm

Arlenton wrote:
East Klent wrote:That is never going to happen, and he knows it.

Just like countries punishing the US is not going to happen.

No, they can't willfully punish us, I didn't say that, San Luman did. But if we cut ourselves off from the rest of the world, we will suffer.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:22 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Just like countries punishing the US is not going to happen.

No, they can't willfully punish us, I didn't say that, San Luman did. But if we cut ourselves off from the rest of the world, we will suffer.

Of course. And it's not going to happen.

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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:24 pm

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Arlenton wrote:Then good luck to them when we pull out of NATO.

And there goes world war 3.

Will you two stop trying to get us into a global war? An idiot has been elected president. We will survive, provided people don't flip the fuck out and get all the mutual protection pacts and so forth nullified so that aggressive nations feel free to expand their territory and start a global conflict.

It'd 1938 all over again. Or 1914 for that matter.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:he's never going to do that and why people voted for him in the first place i;ll never understand. The rest of the world is shocked and horrified by Trump's election. The country is a worldwide embarrassment. We could correct it with the electoral college but they are way to partisan to ever do it.

The rest of the world don't care and neither do the majority of the population. Your country isn't more of a joke now than it used to be before.
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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:25 pm

Arlenton wrote:
East Klent wrote:No, they can't willfully punish us, I didn't say that, San Luman did. But if we cut ourselves off from the rest of the world, we will suffer.

Of course. And it's not going to happen.

I know it'll never happen, despite San Lumen's apparent panic attack over it.

You were the one was saying "fuck what the rest of the world thinks".
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:26 pm

East Klent wrote:
Galloism wrote:And there goes world war 3.

Will you two stop trying to get us into a global war? An idiot has been elected president. We will survive, provided people don't flip the fuck out and get all the mutual protection pacts and so forth nullified so that aggressive nations feel free to expand their territory and start a global conflict.

It'd 1938 all over again. Or 1914 for that matter.

And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:27 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Of course. And it's not going to happen.

I know it'll never happen, despite San Lumen's apparent panic attack over it.

You were the one was saying "fuck what the rest of the world thinks".

If the rest of the world does not like the president, then yes, fuck what they think. But no one is going to do anything about it.

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Postby Bavaria-Westphalia » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:28 pm

Stop whining, cunt. Trump, while I think he's an idiotic authoritarian, will be President.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:28 pm

Galloism wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Then good luck to them when we pull out of NATO.

And there goes world war 3.

Will you two stop trying to get us into a global war? An idiot has been elected president. We will survive, provided people don't flip the fuck out and get all the mutual protection pacts and so forth nullified so that aggressive nations feel free to expand their territory and start a global conflict.


Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:The heck with EPA regulations. And who cares if your premiums go up because of the ACA?

You never see any other side of things. Only your side.

So destroying the environment and polluting the air and water doesnt matter to you? Lets just wreck this planet. We have another. And people going bankrupt from medical bills is perfectly ok to you?


I think we already had this discussion.

Nobody wants the world to be a barren wasteland; but we can't just say "save the environment!" and shut down the world economy to try and preserve our planet entirely. Let's say we follow radical environmental orthodoxy, and shut down all coal plants worldwide and all oil production. How many children are you willing to let die of starvation because of food shortages? A thousand for every ton of CO2 emissions saved? What number sounds good to you?

In equal measure, nobody wants the sick to be denied care. But if medical care is free, where does the funding for research come from? How do we develop the next vaccine without money in our R+D departments? Who pays the bills for the doctors that spend seventeen hours a day on their feet to operate? What financial incentive is there to be healthy?

These issues aren't black and white, and treating them as such is the height of ignorance.
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Postby Kentlaand » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:29 pm

Trump won the presidency fair and square. You can call for reform, as many (including myself) are. However, you CAN NOT undermine the results of a fair election just because you disagree with the methods involved. The country is already divided enough by the events of the past months, and switching the outcome of the presidential election will only serve to strengthen that divide. As much as I'd love to not have Trump in office (Not that I'd necessarily want Hillary there either,) the best course of action I believe this country could take is the smooth, uneventful transition of power.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:29 pm

Novus America wrote:
Galloism wrote:And there goes world war 3.

Will you two stop trying to get us into a global war? An idiot has been elected president. We will survive, provided people don't flip the fuck out and get all the mutual protection pacts and so forth nullified so that aggressive nations feel free to expand their territory and start a global conflict.


Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.

No, he's more famous.

Fame has its own inertia.
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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:30 pm

Arlenton wrote:
East Klent wrote:It'd 1938 all over again. Or 1914 for that matter.

And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:31 pm

Kentlaand wrote:Trump won the presidency fair and square. You can call for reform, as many (including myself) are. However, you CAN NOT undermine the results of a fair election just because you disagree with the methods involved. The country is already divided enough by the events of the past months, and switching the outcome of the presidential election will only serve to strengthen that divide. As much as I'd love to not have Trump in office (Not that I'd necessarily want Hillary there either,) the best course of action I believe this country could take is the smooth, uneventful transition of power.

And if you think the EC system is unfair, then vote for people who will change it.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.

No, he's more famous.

Fame has its own inertia.


As does capital, unfortunately enough.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:31 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.


Reminder: There are already combat-ready F-35s in US service. It is no-longer experimental, and as far as the military is concerned, it works.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:32 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.

Isn't it already in service?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:32 pm

East Klent wrote:
Arlenton wrote:And y'all laugh at our massive military budget.

No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.


The trouble is knowing what will work and what won't work. Obviously if the military knew ahead of time that a project would flop, they wouldn't have started it. But progress is never made without a few dropped eggs.

Besides, we'll need the military surplus when the aliens attack. America saves the day!
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:33 pm

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Trump is smarter than you or me when it comes to politics. That is why he is president and we will never be. Yes it is hard to admit, but true. If we were so smart, and he so stupid we would be in important positions and he would not be. Fact is he is better at this politics thing than we are.

No, he's more famous.

Fame has its own inertia.


He is famous because he knows how to be famous. He marketed himself which is key to politics.
He also ran is campaign in a way we said would never work. It did. He was right and we were wrong. He is not stupid, and remember his TV act is just an act. His TV character he plays is different than him. Fact is he does this better than we do.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:33 pm

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:33 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
East Klent wrote:No, I don't, I believe that we need a strong military, which we have. But we are light-years ahead of our nearest competitors in terms of military spending and many of them are our allies, so we do with some minor budget cuts in that department.

We also don't need to spend billions of dollars on an experimental fighter jet that doesn't work, on of the very few things I agree with Trump about.


The trouble is knowing what will work and what won't work. Obviously if the military knew ahead of time that a project would flop, they wouldn't have started it. But progress is never made without a few dropped eggs.

Besides, we'll need the military surplus when the aliens attack. America saves the day!

As long as Bill Pullman is still alive.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:34 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?

Yes.

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Postby East Klent » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:34 pm

Arlenton wrote:
East Klent wrote:I know it'll never happen, despite San Lumen's apparent panic attack over it.

You were the one was saying "fuck what the rest of the world thinks".

If the rest of the world does not like the president, then yes, fuck what they think. But no one is going to do anything about it.

If they don't like him that gives him very little authority to shape or have any say in international affairs. For instance, we harp on human rights and everyone points to our treatment of Native Americans and the torture programs.

They can't actively retaliate against us, no, but they can passively ignore us.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:35 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Is it too late for a communist revolution?


Unfortunately we're a few months late to ask Castro to lead, yes.
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