Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:31 pmIt's a right year if you know what I mean.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:31 pmPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:31 pmPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:31 pmThe Greater German Federal Republic wrote:Arctica-Aleutia wrote:Well, California wants to secede...but in this day and age, I doubt there would be a war if that ended up happening. Then again, this election has been pretty crazy...
CA seceding is very unlikely anyways, since US law doesn't allow secession I think.
Ideas like these are just made up by the political establishment to discredit Trump, even after being elected.
It is unlikely. What I meant was that even if California seceded against the orders of the US government there probably wouldn't be a war. Lots of controversy, tension, and possibly unrest, but no war.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:32 pmNo she won't. For the first time in the election, she was a good sport (unlike her supporters) and conceded. The election is done and the U.S. has made it's choice.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:33 pmThe Greater German Federal Republic wrote:The Frozen Forest wrote:Your opinion doesn't mean anything, the point is we have the electoral college and Donald Trump won it, that means more states voted for trump than voted for Hillary and because of that the widest range of opinions was measured, the electoral college helps fight against the hive mind mentality.
Donald Trump won the election legitimately, the electors won't change their votes due to the dishonorable nature of it. Get over it, America voted in Donald Trump.
I agree, people should just accept the outcome and give thegod-emperorPresident-elect Mr. Trump a chance.
God Emperor?
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:33 pmTargovia wrote:No she won't. For the first time in the election, she was a good sport (unlike her supporters) and conceded. The election is done and the U.S. has made it's choice.
Just because a candidate concedes doesn't mean her supporters do the same.
The protests are evidence enough.
For crying out loud, these people should deal with the fact that the Donald is now their President.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:34 pmValrifell wrote:Arlenton wrote:In a civil war, those people wouldn't be sitting out though, they would pick a side.
But we don't know which side they'd pick.Grand Britannia wrote:
1860s.
A Civil War in this day is terribly unlikely, not least of all because there's no new slavery issue to get people worked up enough to want to secede and actually go through with it.
About 50-50, most likely. Still with the gun owners, soldiers, and generals all very much concentrated on one side.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:34 pmNo. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:35 pmVeridys wrote:No. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.
We've been complaining about the EC for years, through both republican and democratic administrations.
Your assertion is false.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:35 pmThe Frozen Forest wrote:The Greater German Federal Republic wrote:I agree, people should just accept the outcome and give thegod-emperorPresident-elect Mr. Trump a chance.
God Emperor?
Lol, he blows up that thing in Mecca and they all shut down like the droids in Star Wars.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:37 pmGalloism wrote:Veridys wrote:No. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.
We've been complaining about the EC for years, through both republican and democratic administrations.
Your assertion is false.
He means that if Hillary Clinton won the election, there wouldn't be a major movement to abolish electoral college. (There would still be people against it, but not as many as now)
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:38 pmThe Frozen Forest wrote:The Greater German Federal Republic wrote:I agree, people should just accept the outcome and give thegod-emperorPresident-elect Mr. Trump a chance.
God Emperor?
Naw. More like the God Emperor of Dune.
Not that he has prescience or anything. They're just both giant worms.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:38 pmThe Greater German Federal Republic wrote:Galloism wrote:We've been complaining about the EC for years, through both republican and democratic administrations.
Your assertion is false.
He means that if Hillary Clinton won the election, there wouldn't be a major movement to abolish electoral college. (There would still be people against it, but not as many as now)
People often don't notice injustice until it bites them in the ass.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:38 pmArlenton wrote:The Frozen Forest wrote:God Emperor?
Lol, he blows up that thing in Mecca and they all shut down like the droids in Star Wars.
XD
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:39 pmGalloism wrote:Veridys wrote:No. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.
We've been complaining about the EC for years, through both republican and democratic administrations.
Your assertion is false.
That's not what I mean. What I mean is that no Clinton supporters would be complaining about the college if Clinton won the college vote. I'm not talking about how its been the topic of discussion for decades by both sides.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:41 pmVeridys wrote:Galloism wrote:We've been complaining about the EC for years, through both republican and democratic administrations.
Your assertion is false.
That's not what I mean. What I mean is that no Clinton supporters would be complaining about the college if Clinton won the college vote. I'm not talking about how its been the topic of discussion for decades by both sides.
Yes. Yes I still would.
Not that I wouldn't be pleased with how it worked in this one instance, but it would still be an injustice in need of rectifying.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:43 pmThis is pathetic. No need to be such sore loosers and to beg people to cheat just so you could win.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:43 pmVeridys wrote:No. The Republican electors would not do that. And on top of that, if it were Trump that got the popular vote and Clinton who got the college you would not be complaining.
That assertion is false, as I have always opposed the electoral college for as long as I have been politically involved.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:44 pmAelex wrote:This is pathetic. No need to be such sore loosers and to beg people to cheat just so you could win.
It's actually not cheating from a rules standpoint. It's just a shitty thing to do.
You know, like giving victory to the loser.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:44 pmAelex wrote:This is pathetic. No need to be such sore loosers and to beg people to cheat just so you could win.
Actually, it's not cheating because it is clearly allowed by the US Constitution and would allow the election to be won by the person who had the most votes.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:45 pmGood point. However, right wingers do have a habit of confronting federal agents in armed standoffs, burning ethnic churches, and bombing government buildings.Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Thalasus wrote:I deeply despise Trump and I (begrudgingly) voted Clinton, but I really don't want this to happen. Can you imagine the reaction from the hundreds of millions of Trump supporters, who have always been told that the system is rigged against them, if Clinton suddenly took away all their dreams via a byzantine and rarely-discussed electoral procedure? If you thought the riots going on now were bad, hoo boy... I would sure be glad that I'm a politically independent gun owner.
Right wingers generally don't have a habit of rioting in the streets.
Obviously I am exaggerating and being facetious with my comments about violence. However, from a standpoint of national unity, this would be, without much exaggeration, the worst thing to happen to the United States since the election of Lincoln and the southern states' (initial legal) reaction. If the electors were to chose Clinton in a last minute decision instead of Trump, the discredited theory of a liberal rigged system would come screaming back into political discourse. The already deep alienation between liberals and conservatives would turn from a bottomless trench into a political black hole stretching across the universe and, although it might not be riots, violence WOULD happen. Independents like me would have it particularly rough as we endeavor to straddle this black hole and get spaghettified by the gravity of distrust and hatred.
Besides, if you look at the things Trump has said in the past before the election, it's beyond clear that in virtually every aspect except his immigration views he's a RINO, and anyone with a brain can realize that Trump is already a part of the American power elite that many people think he is overturning, so in the long run his presidency making it past December 19 shouldn't matter much to the vast majority of liberals. The gays, however, are in for a rough time if Mike "You like c_ck? Time to get shocked" Pence starts pulling strings in the judicial and the legislative branches.
EDIT LOG: Correcting a minor grammatical mistake ("...to the vast majority liberals." -> "to the vast majority of liberals.")
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:45 pmLet's be honest, that's not going to happen
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:46 pmEveryone here is more likely to have a giant octopus as their lover than for Hillary Clinton to be president.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:47 pmTargovia wrote:No she won't. For the first time in the election, she was a good sport (unlike her supporters) and conceded. The election is done and the U.S. has made it's choice.
It's not technically done until the electoral college makes their pick. I hope they would choose the will of the people, but it seems unlikely, in all honesty. Not a reason not to try though.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:47 pmWhy are you so keen for a civil war?