Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Farnhamia]

Any particular reasons why?

Partly because it would be very difficult to be as bad as people think he is.

That doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

[The Emerald Legion]

Taylor died after 15 months in office. Grant's administration is not exactly highly regarded.

True but Grant at least had military experience. Trump has no experience at all and is neither fit nor qualified to be President and the EC should do what is was designed for and stop him.

Name the last foreign power that we came up against where military experience was relevant? We dominate the tinpot despots we come up against regularly.

On the other hand, it was economic superiority, rather than military might that brought down the USSR. What is Trump? A businessman.

[Geilinor]

True but Grant at least had military experience. Trump has no experience at all and is neither fit nor qualified to be President and the EC should do what is was designed for and stop him.

Name the last foreign power that we came up against where military experience was relevant? We dominate the tinpot despots we come up against regularly.

On the other hand, it was economic superiority, rather than military might that brought down the USSR. What is Trump? A businessman.

He's a businessman but his economic policies were nonsense.

[Galloism]

No. vote of the people.

So essentially,

- Coasts Decide House of Representatives.

- Coasts Decide Presidency.
- Presidency decides Supreme Court.

- Senate is equal.


Somehow, that doesn't seem quite fair, does it?

Put another way, House of Representatives is decided equally by voters (roughly). The president is decided equally by voters (absolutely).

The senate gives disparate influence to voters in low population states.

The presidency decides the Supreme Court, but only with senatorial consent.

Seems ok.

[Gauthier]

Trump has just came out and claimed that he would had won the popular vote if there would not have been millions of votes that were cast illegaly.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4532209664

He just can't leave it alone. The recounts will do nothing, he'll be President come the third week in January but he just can't leave it be. He always has to have the last word, no matter what.

And that thin skin will handle foreign relations with heads of state. Isn't that wonderful?

[Galloism]

He just can't leave it alone. The recounts will do nothing, he'll be President come the third week in January but he just can't leave it be. He always has to have the last word, no matter what.

And that thin skin will handle foreign relations with heads of state. Isn't that wonderful?

I'm starting to miss G.W.

[Ebliania]

And that thin skin will handle foreign relations with heads of state. Isn't that wonderful?

I'm starting to miss G.W.

Hell Gary "Aleppo" Johnson would be better

[Gauthier]

And that thin skin will handle foreign relations with heads of state. Isn't that wonderful?

I'm starting to miss G.W.

Bush didn't try to make off with money from deliberately fucking up that's for sure.

[Galloism]

I'm starting to miss G.W.

Hell Gary "Aleppo" Johnson would be better

Watching him fake a heart attack in front of a joint session of Congress would be classic.

[Gauthier]

Hell Gary "Aleppo" Johnson would be better

Watching him fake a heart attack in front of a joint session of Congress would be classic.

Just to see the hopeful then disappointed looks on the face of Republicans.

[Vassenor]

Name the last foreign power that we came up against where military experience was relevant? We dominate the tinpot despots we come up against regularly.

On the other hand, it was economic superiority, rather than military might that brought down the USSR. What is Trump? A businessman.

He's a businessman but his economic policies were nonsense.

Or more accurately were intended to benefit him and no one else.

[Ifreann]

So essentially,

- Coasts Decide House of Representatives.

- Coasts Decide Presidency.
- Presidency decides Supreme Court.

- Senate is equal.


Somehow, that doesn't seem quite fair, does it?

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

Typical person bias. Geography has rights too!

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So now Trump is threatening to lock Hillary up and going on twitter tirade about the recount. Something that is within Jill and Hillary's right as a candidates. So very Presidential. If the electoral college votes for this man on December 19th they are not only not doing their job it shows the EC is useless and should be abolished.

Is he back to wanting to lock her up?

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Finally, someone is not completely ignorant about the United States government. The U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic. So in a manner the EC is a legitimate body of the government.

If you ignore all the elections then yeah, sure, totally not a democracy. A government by the people, for the people, and of the people? Nah, sounds like Canada.

[Husseinarti]

The electiral college is broken and undemocratic, but it can still choose to follow the will of the people and vote for Hillary Clinton. Many Trump supporters and people who don't really like democracy have been vehemently defending the electoral college lately. When you defend the current system, this is a part of it. If electors were to go faithless amen masse and elect Hillary Clinton, it would be fully within the bounds layed out by the constitution. So, what say you NSG? Is it time to use this undemocratic institution to uphold democracy in the time being, while we wait to have it abolished?

There are problems, yes. Its far from undemocratic, its democratic in a chaotic good kind of way. It needs to be seriously rebuilt, but not tossed away until we achieve some kind of post-scarcity civilization and resources don't matter anymore.

However if we do some 'direct democracy' deal, then you give the city of Los Angeles more political power than Idaho, Montana and Wyoming combined. Imagine that? A single city would have more power than three entire states. Why even go to those states? Just campaign at large city centers, fuck the rural class, fuck farmers, coal miners, just fuck the entire middle class what a bunch of chumps.

Hell, that means California has more political power than nearly half the entire fucking Union. You do understand that the electoral college was brought about specifically for that fucking purpose, to give states with smaller populations a near-to-equal voice.

Grant, Taylor and Eisenhower had 0% political experience too, still became presidents.

They were all ex-military though, which kind of counts.

Grant and Eisenhower had dealt with post-occupational politics, Eisenhower even more so. There is also inter-military politics.

[The Emerald Legion]

He's a businessman but his economic policies were nonsense.

Or more accurately were intended to benefit him and no one else.

I'm not sure how "We're going to close the loopholes that let people dodge their taxes legally, tariff the shit out of people who outsource their labor, and cut taxes." is of benefit to trump, considering he USES those loopholes and isn't in the manufacturing industry.

[Husseinarti]

So essentially,

- Coasts Decide House of Representatives.

- Coasts Decide Presidency.
- Presidency decides Supreme Court.

- Senate is equal.


Somehow, that doesn't seem quite fair, does it?

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

[Vassenor]

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

What's your evidence in support of this assertion?

[Galloism]

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

[Lost heros]

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

Representatives of the States decide things, not Land. :>

Oh please. The electoral college hasn't been about the representatives in a long time. It's about the votes the states get, which is partially determined by land.

[The Emerald Legion]

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

The Senate is still only one half of one branch of the three.

It's not enough by far.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

And decline in relevance.
It would also seem more appropriate that the head of state for the US, the quintessential symbolic head of the country, not be a perpetual puppet of New York and Los Angeles and the minority report from Chicago...And I mean the latter in the sci-fi novel, dystopian future sense not the 'Chicago has a lot of minorities' sense, though I have gotten a good chuckle from the pun.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

Not like that would matter much.

[Lost heros]

Land shouldn't decide things. People should.

So you don't want the majority of the Union to have meaningful political opinions, instead we should just give to the big fat states and let the US crumble.

How Democratic.

Majority of Land Mass =/= the majority of the Union.

[Galloism]

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

The Senate is still only one half of one branch of the three.

It's not enough by far.

Once you figure out how to merge presidential candidates by vote percentage, I'm all ears.

Until then, only one person occupies the job over the whole nation. Why should residents in Wyoming get three votes for this one job while residents of California only get one?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Representatives of the States decide things, not Land. :>

Oh please. The electoral college hasn't been about the representatives in a long time. It's about the votes the states get, which is partially determined by land.

Not really. It's determined by population and senatorial representation. Representing both aspects of Congressional federal representation system that was established in one office (the Presidency).

[Galloism]

The senate continues to stubbornly persist in existence.

And decline in relevance.
It would also seem more appropriate that the head of state for the US, the quintessential symbolic head of the country, not be a perpetual puppet of New York and Los Angeles and the minority report from Chicago...And I mean the latter in the sci-fi novel, dystopian future sense not the 'Chicago has a lot of minorities' sense, though I have gotten a good chuckle from the pun.

The senate is hugely relevant. Do you even know what the senate does regarding presidential appointments?