Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Great Franconia and Verana]

And she won by millions nationally.
The recount is only in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin I believe, all of which Trump only won by one point or less.

There is no national vote. This is why it's illegal for a Maryland resident to vote in Wisconsin.

Yes, and that is unfortunate.

[Ifreann]

And then Congress refuses to verify the Electoral College and puts Trump in anyway because they're not going to risk civil war.

There wouldnt be civil war. Refusing to verify the electoral college because it did its job would spark a constitutional crisis. If you dont verify the electoral college you have no President. You'd have to declare the electoral college result invalid and then each state can only have a single vote and with the polarization in Congress I have severe doubts they'd ever be able to pick a winner.

Then the Speaker of the House would become acting-president.

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this recount won't do anything, if anything it will expose Hillary and the 3 Million illegals who voted for her.

If you think that's the case, presumably you support it, yes?

[Stormaen]

It won't, though.

but they should. If not it proves there is really no point to them

Meh. I doubt we'd be having this conversation if Hillary won. For all the reasons previously (probably) covered in this thread, the system is working as designed. *Shrug*

The U.S. was shagged whoever won.

[San Lumen]

There wouldnt be civil war. Refusing to verify the electoral college because it did its job would spark a constitutional crisis. If you dont verify the electoral college you have no President. You'd have to declare the electoral college result invalid and then each state can only have a single vote and with the polarization in Congress I have severe doubts they'd ever be able to pick a winner.

Then the Speaker of the House would become acting-president.

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this recount won't do anything, if anything it will expose Hillary and the 3 Million illegals who voted for her.

If you think that's the case, presumably you support it, yes?

Honestly Id Take Paul Ryan as President over Trump and I dont like Ryan but at least he's fit and qualified to serve

[The Islamic Terrorist Union]

Ok, I am a citizen of three states two of which are battleground. one of them includes Pennsylvania. Yes, Hillary Clinton can still become President but it's highly improbable. For starters, let's say Michagan is won by Donald Trump, She would need more than 36 electors to become a "faithless elector", which means vote for someone different than what your congressional district/district/state voted for. For that to happen she would to get a lot of republican leadership to jump ship and vote for her and she does not have a good reputation with republican and even democrats. Even the petition that has millions of signitures hasn't change the outcome of the election.
Also, for the recount in the Rust Belt States of Michagan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania; They can have a recount but nothing will change. Yes, there may be a couple votes tops they missed or skipped but will that really change anything. He is wind Pennsylvania with more than 100,000 votes and do you even know how many election stations would have had to be tampered with. Even though I supported Hillary Clinton throughout her entire campaign, i've realized that i have to move on from the election because if we all keep obsessing, it is going to make us crazy.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Oh please. As if ignoring the needs and concerns of tens of millions of Americans in favor of Americans that live in less than 10% of this wide diverse country doesn't disenfranchise and enrage people.

"Live in less than 10% of this wide diverse country"
Most of our population lives in cities, which also are typically the most diverse areas of the country. Rocks and trees don't have feelings about the election, and living next to them doesn't make someone better than someone who lives in The Capitol an urban environment.

Well, we could put you in Alaska in a home just barely up to California building-code...

One solution fits all, does not.

I'd place bets that the pipes would freeze around November 20th because someone insisted that it's AOK to put plumbing in uninsulated exterior walls.
-And then ofc a bear would smell that nice perch dinner you're baking, take a swipe at that screen-door and invite herself in for a bite. Too bad no firearms are allowed in such homes. As for pepper-spray... yeah, good luck telling her to stop eating your kayak.

But hey, I suppose the desolate lands of Alaska are totally okay with their laws being overruled by some people in the perpetually sunny California coastlines.

Diversity of climate and industry, not people. "All men are created equal," any notion otherwise is merely an illusion.

And she won by millions nationally.
The recount is only in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin I believe, all of which Trump only won by one point or less.

Project Varutas.

Michigan an Wisconsin have already verified their counts (because paper ballots almost universally across the state). 'spiracy-theorists have already dropped their claim on Wisconsin within 72 hours of making it. The fudged number in Wisconsin, as noted, was because a county clerk had to stop and help deliver a baby or something.

[Vassenor]

this recount won't do anything, if anything it will expose Hillary and the 3 Million illegals who voted for her.

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

[Coprophilandia]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

[Valrifell]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

Maybe this is secretly an elaborate scheme for Trump to push doomsday bunkers from a company he secretly has a stake in.

[San Lumen]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

hope is the most precious thing in the world.

[Great Kauthar]

this recount won't do anything, if anything it will expose Hillary and the 3 Million illegals who voted for her.

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-mi ... al-aliens/
i already did

[Vassenor]

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-mi ... al-aliens/
i already did

So presumably it's all down to the demon possessing Hillary and the chemicals that she puts in fruit juice. Got it.

[The Emerald Legion]

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-mi ... al-aliens/
i already did

So presumably it's all down to the demon possessing Hillary and the chemicals that she puts in fruit juice. Got it.

Y'know. I wonder who it is that puts infowars stickers on all the street signs where I live?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-mi ... al-aliens/
i already did

InfoWars.... *cringe*

[Cannot think of a name]

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-mi ... al-aliens/
i already did

Do you think maybe your evidence might provide some evidence for this claim? I mean, other than reporting a tweet by someone?

[Morgantown West Virginia]

BREAKING: Jill Stein files for recount in WI.
https://twitter.com/WI_Elections/status ... 1737716736

[Salus Maior]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

She isn't. She conceded, so she's not going to get it.

The sooner we can accept that, the sooner we can finally move on with our lives and quit dragging out this joke of an election further.

[Galloism]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

She isn't. She conceded, so she's not going to get it.

The sooner we can accept that, the sooner we can finally move on with our lives and quit dragging out this joke of an election further.

Point of order:

Concessions have no legal force or meaning. What the EC chooses, it chooses. In some sort of mass mind control scenario where the EC votes to give Clinton the election, she gets it - concession or no concession.

It's unlikely, but legally sound.

[Herskerstad]

As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

She isn't. She conceded, so she's not going to get it.

The sooner we can accept that, the sooner we can finally move on with our lives and quit dragging out this joke of an election further.

Theoretically, say she won by recount, would she be confirmed if she re-accepted it?

Either way, a recount should always be within rights. Though I really, really would not peddle false hope. It serves me some joy in knowing that her dealmaking, now with unpaid dues, and wasted loyalty to Obama serves as some countermeasure to the influence peddling she did in my nation.

[Herskerstad]

She isn't. She conceded, so she's not going to get it.

The sooner we can accept that, the sooner we can finally move on with our lives and quit dragging out this joke of an election further.

Point of order:

Concessions have no legal force or meaning. What the EC chooses, it chooses. In some sort of mass mind control scenario where the EC votes to give Clinton the election, she gets it - concession or no concession.

It's unlikely, but legally sound.

Does not various states have counter-meassures to deal with unfaithful electors?

[Salandriagado]

Hence the 'uncharted territory' bit. I don't think there's any legal precedent for the appointment of a caretaker government in the US so I have no idea what would happen.

Maybe Joe Biden would take over. *shivers* That's a scary thought.

Different states have different laws and different protocols for recounts. And that of course is part of the problem with leaving it to the states - opens up the possibility that things might be missed.

Well, leaving it to the states also makes it harder to actually rig the election. 50 different states with 50 different election processes make it a hell of a lot harder.

No, because you only actually need to rig like 2-3 of them to flip an election.

[Wacksytopia]

Maybe Joe Biden would take over. *shivers* That's a scary thought.


Well, leaving it to the states also makes it harder to actually rig the election. 50 different states with 50 different election processes make it a hell of a lot harder.

No, because you only actually need to rig like 2-3 of them to flip an election.

Surely, somewhere like the US it would be hard enough to rig just one?

[Galloism]

Point of order:

Concessions have no legal force or meaning. What the EC chooses, it chooses. In some sort of mass mind control scenario where the EC votes to give Clinton the election, she gets it - concession or no concession.

It's unlikely, but legally sound.

Does not various states have counter-meassures to deal with unfaithful electors?

Only two void the votes of the electors that I know of - Michigan and Minnesota. A number can levy a fine (biggest is $1000, I believe) but the votes are not invalid, and a number have no laws dealing with faithless electors at all.

[Ifreann]

this recount won't do anything, if anything it will expose Hillary and the 3 Million illegals who voted for her.

I take it you can provide evidence in support of this claim?

Someone said it was true.

Someone on Twitter.

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As much as I would love for Hillary to get the presidency, hope is a dangerous thing. I'm just going to go ahead and prepare for the End Times.

hope is the most precious thing in the world.

Hope is a mistake.

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So presumably it's all down to the demon possessing Hillary and the chemicals that she puts in fruit juice. Got it.

Y'know. I wonder who it is that puts infowars stickers on all the street signs where I live?

Alex Jones.

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Point of order:

Concessions have no legal force or meaning. What the EC chooses, it chooses. In some sort of mass mind control scenario where the EC votes to give Clinton the election, she gets it - concession or no concession.

It's unlikely, but legally sound.

Does not various states have counter-meassures to deal with unfaithful electors?

Yeah. Mostly it's a fine. I think, like, two states change the votes of unfaithful electors to what they're supposed to be.

[Salandriagado]

This isn't really about some theoretical mandate, though. It's about the law. A "mandate" doesn't affect the law.

But the law, AFAIK, doesn't say anything about what should be done in a situation like this.

Just making the point that partisanship can affect one's judgement and credibility.

Can, but there's no evidence that this is the case.

Yes it does. Regardless of anything else, the decision of the Electoral College (assuming there is one) stands. That hasn't been delivered yet, but the law is very clear as to what happens.