Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Alvecia]

But not outright banned? Good for them I guess.
Are you still able to arm yourself?

see that's the bullshit excuse the democrats use

" well you can still get one"

well yes, after running through red tape, magazine limits, no conceal carry, ammo background checks, personal background checks, limited allowed firearm list, barrel length restriction, made up "assault rifle" ban

so basically " Yeah you can have a gun...in your house...unloaded and sealed/locked up"

thanks...so great.

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?
Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not really lol

Is that a no? Or a yes, but...?

Yes in theory but there's so many retarded hoops to jump through that most people (that I know at least) don't abide by their laws anymore.

[San Lumen]

So you think it would be fair for city dwellers votes to count less in statewide elections and for them to have less representation then a rural county?

Why do you keep asking me this Lumen, I think I've made my feelings on the matter pretty clear in the past RE: My disdain of the EC

Because your sort of dodging my question.

[Ifreann]

And this perfect reform is?

Strip the Imperial Presidency of its powers.

Proclaim Erbkaisertum.

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So are we not allowed to craft a more democratic nation? Why shouldn't the United States strive to be more democratic?

because we are supposed to be a REPUBLIC in which we elect those to represent us nationally.

Democracy is mob rule.

Democracy is a system whereby the power(kratos) to govern is derived from the people(demos). America is a democracy. The fact that one office is indirectly elected by way of an electoral college does not change that. You democratically elect senators. You democratically elect representatives. You democratically elect state senators, and representatives, and governors, and mayors, and judges, and sheriffs, and county clerks, and fucking coroners and dog catchers and gods alone know what the fuck else.

[Telconi]

Yes... they are... You may wish to educate yourself about what it is your apparently favored party is doing to oppress people before you go claiming they aren't.

I probably should educate myself a bit more, but buddy, I can guarantee that nobody's out there driving out into the sticks to take a hammer to farmers' guns.

No, they aren't literally putting a hammer to it. They make you foot the bill. "Either take your gun into a gunsmith and have it freaking welded shut, or you go to prison" That's a thing that's actually happening. Oh, your other option is being treated like an undesirable if you insist on keeping the gun, like I mean literal Nazi towards Jewish people level of undesirable.

[San Lumen]

Strip the Imperial Presidency of its powers.

Proclaim Erbkaisertum.

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because we are supposed to be a REPUBLIC in which we elect those to represent us nationally.

Democracy is mob rule.

Democracy is a system whereby the power(kratos) to govern is derived from the people(demos). America is a democracy. The fact that one office is indirectly elected by way of an electoral college does not change that. You democratically elect senators. You democratically elect representatives. You democratically elect state senators, and representatives, and governors, and mayors, and judges, and sheriffs, and county clerks, and fucking coroners and dog catchers and gods alone know what the fuck else.

And the president should be too

[Alvecia]

Is that a no? Or a yes, but...?

Yes in theory but there's so many retarded hoops to jump through that most people (that I know at least) don't abide by their laws anymore.

There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

[Nazeroth]

see that's the bullshit excuse the democrats use

" well you can still get one"

well yes, after running through red tape, magazine limits, no conceal carry, ammo background checks, personal background checks, limited allowed firearm list, barrel length restriction, made up "assault rifle" ban

so basically " Yeah you can have a gun...in your house...unloaded and sealed/locked up"

thanks...so great.

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?
Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

"inconvenient" is a huge understatement

[Nazeroth]

Yes in theory but there's so many retarded hoops to jump through that most people (that I know at least) don't abide by their laws anymore.

There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

why should i have to go through so many hoops for a RIGHT.

[Telconi]

see that's the bullshit excuse the democrats use

" well you can still get one"

well yes, after running through red tape, magazine limits, no conceal carry, ammo background checks, personal background checks, limited allowed firearm list, barrel length restriction, made up "assault rifle" ban

so basically " Yeah you can have a gun...in your house...unloaded and sealed/locked up"

thanks...so great.

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?


Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

I don't think you understand the magnitude of this shit. People literally die because of your "inconvenience".

[Alvecia]

Why do you keep asking me this Lumen, I think I've made my feelings on the matter pretty clear in the past RE: My disdain of the EC

Because your sort of dodging my question.

I've been repeatedly clear that I think the vote should be much more equal. Keep up.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes in theory but there's so many retarded hoops to jump through that most people (that I know at least) don't abide by their laws anymore.

There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

Practicing medicine isn't a right.

[Galloism]

see that's the bullshit excuse the democrats use

" well you can still get one"

well yes, after running through red tape, magazine limits, no conceal carry, ammo background checks, personal background checks, limited allowed firearm list, barrel length restriction, made up "assault rifle" ban

so basically " Yeah you can have a gun...in your house...unloaded and sealed/locked up"

thanks...so great.

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?
Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

To be fair, democratic politicians tend to be flat out fucking retarded on guns in general principle, and most of the regulations make no sense.

It's probably my biggest beef with the Democratic Party.

[Astrolinium]

I probably should educate myself a bit more, but buddy, I can guarantee that nobody's out there driving out into the sticks to take a hammer to farmers' guns.

No, they aren't literally putting a hammer to it. They make you foot the bill. "Either take your gun into a gunsmith and have it freaking welded shut, or you go to prison" That's a thing that's actually happening. Oh, your other option is being treated like an undesirable if you insist on keeping the gun, like I mean literal Nazi towards Jewish people level of undesirable.

A. ...I cannot imagine what reasonable firearm for self-defense you might own that you are being forced to weld shut.
B. I'm a Jew. I've met Nazis. Let me tell you, almost nobody hates gun owners the way Nazis hate Jews.

[Nazeroth]

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?
Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

To be fair, democratic politicians tend to be flat out fucking retarded on guns in general principle, and most of the regulations make no sense.

It's probably my biggest beef with the Democratic Party.

this 100%

[Galloism]

To be fair, democratic politicians tend to be flat out fucking retarded on guns in general principle, and most of the regulations make no sense.

It's probably my biggest beef with the Democratic Party.

this 100%

And I say this as a person who leans democrat these days.

[Ifreann]

I probably should educate myself a bit more, but buddy, I can guarantee that nobody's out there driving out into the sticks to take a hammer to farmers' guns.

No, they aren't literally putting a hammer to it. They make you foot the bill. "Either take your gun into a gunsmith and have it freaking welded shut, or you go to prison" That's a thing that's actually happening. Oh, your other option is being treated like an undesirable if you insist on keeping the gun, like I mean literal Nazi towards Jewish people level of undesirable.

Don't chat shit, citizen.

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There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

why should i have to go through so many hoops for a RIGHT.

To protect everyone else's rights.

[Nazeroth]

this 100%

And I say this as a person who leans democrat these days.

they keep acting like the world is going to end with guns yet places like washington/arizona have it and the world isn't over....and we don't have magazine limits etc etc etc

guess what...were doing just fine.

[Nazeroth]

No, they aren't literally putting a hammer to it. They make you foot the bill. "Either take your gun into a gunsmith and have it freaking welded shut, or you go to prison" That's a thing that's actually happening. Oh, your other option is being treated like an undesirable if you insist on keeping the gun, like I mean literal Nazi towards Jewish people level of undesirable.

Don't chat shit, citizen.

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why should i have to go through so many hoops for a RIGHT.

To protect everyone else's rights.

um what

[Kravanica]

So you're upset because it's inconvenient?
Shit I imagine there a lot of red tape for all other kinds of dangerous purchases. There's probably a reason for that.

To be fair, democratic politicians tend to be flat out fucking retarded on guns in general principle, and most of the regulations make no sense.

It's probably my biggest beef with the Democratic Party.

That sit in they held was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. They even started singing We Shall Overcome as if it was some sort of second Civil Rights Movement.

[Astrolinium]

There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

why should i have to go through so many hoops for a RIGHT.

The right to bear arms is arguably one of the less important rights you have as a US Citizen, and the implicit rights of everyone to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (not in the constitution specifically, but nonetheless foundational principles of our republic) tend to supersede the right of an individual to gun ownership.

[Telconi]

No, they aren't literally putting a hammer to it. They make you foot the bill. "Either take your gun into a gunsmith and have it freaking welded shut, or you go to prison" That's a thing that's actually happening. Oh, your other option is being treated like an undesirable if you insist on keeping the gun, like I mean literal Nazi towards Jewish people level of undesirable.

A. ...I cannot imagine what reasonable firearm for self-defense you might own that you are being forced to weld shut.
B. I'm a Jew. I've met Nazis. Let me tell you, almost nobody hates gun owners the way Nazis hate Jews.

Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.

And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.

[The East Marches]

That is surprising to hear on the hate crimes front.

It's true, if the attack is based on a protected class including race, sex, or orientation, or intended to cause a public panic among members of one of those classes.

It's not a black thing. It can be appropriate for anyone.

Given my experience with the laws regarding protection of "gender" and other things, you'll have to pardon me if I had a jaundiced eye. Further investigation online confirms what you said. Thank you for the information.

heres the problem for example

Gun Control

California bases it's extremly shitty gun control on Urban areas and applies it to the rural ones.

they say things like "oh we need to get guns off the streets etc etc etc"

but where is all the gun crime? in the cities, and the rural areas have to be subject to their shitty laws because of it.

So the rural areas should be free to declare guns for all and watch crime rates in the cities skyrocket? Besides, aside from maybe scaring off wild animals, a rural dweller has no more reason to own a gun than a city dweller does.

Why should our right to bear arms be restricted because you can not police yourselves? Also, you forget that I have every right to defend my life with deadly force. The police do not arrive in a timely manner in these parts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And I say this as a person who leans democrat these days.

they keep acting like the world is going to end with guns yet places like washington/arizona have it and the world isn't over....and we don't have magazine limits etc etc etc

guess what...were doing just fine.

WA is getting a lot worse on the topic, the AG and Dems are trying to push an assault weapons ban.

[Alvecia]

There's a lot of hoops to jump through before one can practice medicine, but nobody is suggesting we remove all the red tape from that.

Practicing medicine isn't a right.

Just cause something is a "right" doesn't mean there shouldn't be administration involved.
Look at voting as an example. Still have to register.