The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016

[Corrian]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

Yeah, I saw that. I thought that was interesting. The universal basic income thing was not something I expected from her to be honest.

[The Sauganash Union]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

A financial transaction tax would mean I have to charge my clients higher transaction fees, which would discourage investment overall. For such a Wall Street insider, she sure is financially retarded at times.

[USS Monitor]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

A financial transaction tax would mean I have to charge my clients higher transaction fees, which would discourage investment overall. For such a Wall Street insider, she sure is financially retarded at times.

Yeah, I'm all in favor of reining in Wall Street's excesses, but that doesn't sound like a productive way to do it, at least not if the tax is high. Too much collateral damage to ordinary people that just want to invest a little.

The basic income is a good idea, but it needs more varied sources of funding so as not to end up with an exorbitant financial transaction tax.

[Major-Tom]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

Yeah, I saw that. I thought that was interesting. The universal basic income thing was not something I expected from her to be honest.

Even I don't support a UBI. Way too impractical for the United States.

[MERIZoC]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

"I thought about it" does not make you any better a person or politician.

[Corrian]

Yeah, I saw that. I thought that was interesting. The universal basic income thing was not something I expected from her to be honest.

Even I don't support a UBI. Way too impractical for the United States.

Maybe not right now, but I think UBI is inevitable like 50 years down the line at most.

[Ngelmish]

Even if you want to dismiss them as window dressing, you should at least be honest enough to admit that he also enacted (sure, call them symbolic) restrictions on the industry.

But no, now that I think about, "Obama's bad" is more relevant and pithier. Has nothing to do with policy, and is only tangentially related to principle of course. But sure, why talk about outcomes when you can rail against personalities?

I still dont get where you're coming from when you say my opposition to Obama isn't based in policy.

I'm a literal anarchist. One would think I would have quite a few policy "disagreements" with him.

Probably because you consistently don't frame your objections in terms of policy or political theory, you frame them like this:

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

"I thought about it" does not make you any better a person or politician.

But whatever, the personal is the political, or at least, overwhelmingly the most important aspect of the political. I concede that it's a pointless tangent that you care more about taking potshots at the morality of political figures than you do about advocating a specific or clear alternative.

[Northern Davincia]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

A financial transaction tax would mean I have to charge my clients higher transaction fees, which would discourage investment overall. For such a Wall Street insider, she sure is financially retarded at times.

All the time, actually.

[Galloism]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

One reason for a small financial transaction tax is to cut down on a practice I can't remember the name of, but essentially it involves buying hundreds of millions of a particular stock, causing a short term run, then selling it for a relatively small percentage bump (which still adds up to millions). This causes market instability and has no long term investment purpose.

I'm not sure it's the best way, but that's the idea.

[Senkaku]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

One reason for a small financial transaction tax is to cut down on a practice I can't remember the name of, but essentially it involves buying hundreds of millions of a particular stock, causing a short term run, then selling it for a relatively small percentage bump (which still adds up to millions). This causes market instability and has no long term investment purpose.

I'm not sure it's the best way, but that's the idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading

This?

[Galloism]

One reason for a small financial transaction tax is to cut down on a practice I can't remember the name of, but essentially it involves buying hundreds of millions of a particular stock, causing a short term run, then selling it for a relatively small percentage bump (which still adds up to millions). This causes market instability and has no long term investment purpose.

I'm not sure it's the best way, but that's the idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading

This?

No, not quite, although that would be impacted by a transaction tax as well.

[MERIZoC]

I still dont get where you're coming from when you say my opposition to Obama isn't based in policy.

I'm a literal anarchist. One would think I would have quite a few policy "disagreements" with him.

Probably because you consistently don't frame your objections in terms of policy or political theory, you frame them like this:

"I thought about it" does not make you any better a person or politician.

But whatever, the personal is the political, or at least, overwhelmingly the most important aspect of the political. I concede that it's a pointless tangent that you care more about taking potshots at the morality of political figures than you do about advocating a specific or clear alternative.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but we kind of have people that are voted for to do the political stuff. So we want the good people and not the bad ones.

[Ngelmish]

Probably because you consistently don't frame your objections in terms of policy or political theory, you frame them like this:



But whatever, the personal is the political, or at least, overwhelmingly the most important aspect of the political. I concede that it's a pointless tangent that you care more about taking potshots at the morality of political figures than you do about advocating a specific or clear alternative.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but we kind of have people that are voted for to do the political stuff. So we want the good people and not the bad ones.

Calling someone bad in a limited context so you can signal your supposed political or moral virtue by implication is not a particularly ingenuous form of debate, it also allows you to elide criticism for whatever particular alternative you are conspicuously not detailing. But sure, it tends to be politically effective.

[Bakery Hill]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

A financial transaction tax would mean I have to charge my clients higher transaction fees, which would discourage investment overall. For such a Wall Street insider, she sure is financially retarded at times.

That's where the state comes in.

[Bakery Hill]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

[Genivaria]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

Morning people are heretics.

[Senkaku]

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

Morning people are heretics.

And yet America forces every teenager in the country to be a morning person despite the fact we'd save billions if we didn't.

[Collatis]

Really? Obama said he was a New Democrat in 2009, he was arguably to the right of Clinton on certain issues in 2008...

Yeah and he also aligned himself with other factions of the party at times. The important things are that he was the first nominee since Dukakis to never had been be formally affiliated with the New Democrats and that the DLC finally dissolved during his presidency. In some ways Obama was a New Democrat, but in many ways he marked the end of their reign.

And on what issues what Barry to Hillary's right? All I can think of are education and the whole "working across the aisle" spiel. Not necessarily saying there weren't more, but I can't think of any.

It's not really a wall if it can move though.

You haven't seen Trump's wall

It can move faster than Sean Spicer's podium on SNL.

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

Hillary: Universal healthcare that has been implemented in literally every developed country in the world is "rainbows and unicorns" and totally unrealistic
Also Hillary: UBI could work tho

Even I don't support a UBI. Way too impractical for the United States.

Plus it's been adopted by Silicon Valley-types as a way to covertly dismantle the welfare state.

[MERIZoC]

I'm sorry to break it to you, but we kind of have people that are voted for to do the political stuff. So we want the good people and not the bad ones.

Calling someone bad in a limited context so you can signal your supposed political or moral virtue by implication is not a particularly ingenuous form of debate, it also allows you to elide criticism for whatever particular alternative you are conspicuously not detailing. But sure, it tends to be politically effective.

I think Hillary is a shitty human for a load of reasons.

But please, continue to get more mad at me.

[MERIZoC]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

I seriously considered voting for Hillary Clinton

[Collatis]

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

I seriously considered voting for Hillary Clinton

Now I've heard everything

[Bakery Hill]

Morning people are heretics.

And yet America forces every teenager in the country to be a morning person despite the fact we'd save billions if we didn't.

looks like someone still hasn't gotten over high school :/

[Bakery Hill]

I "seriously considered" waking up at 7am and going for a run ever day this week. Doesn't really mean shit though does it? :/

I seriously considered voting for Hillary Clinton

and she's very angry at you now

[Telconi]

I seriously considered voting for Hillary Clinton

and she's very angry at you now

What Happened Chapter One, Line one.

"MERIZoC didn't vote for me, that's why Donald won, that jerk."

[USS Monitor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading

This?

No, not quite, although that would be impacted by a transaction tax as well.

Cornering the market?