The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016

[MERIZoC]

Riiiiiight, Wall st totally doesn't reward people who help them out

It's a good thing that you're not even pretending not to speak in generalities. "Kickback" was the word that you used, demonstrate a provable quid pro quo or admit, that once again, far from caring about policy, or principles, your primary motivation emotionally based character assassination.

To be clear, I think that Obama's Wall Street record is problematic, but that's not the conversation you tried to start and you know it.

That's entirely the conversation I was trying to start. Fuck outta here with that crap.

[Gauthier]

Love when Gauthier gets called out on his shit and doesnt reply

It's constant, ain't it?

Hey, I could swear the thread was about Trump. But thank you for the adoration anyways.

[Gauthier]

It's a good thing that you're not even pretending not to speak in generalities. "Kickback" was the word that you used, demonstrate a provable quid pro quo or admit, that once again, far from caring about policy, or principles, your primary motivation emotionally based character assassination.

To be clear, I think that Obama's Wall Street record is problematic, but that's not the conversation you tried to start and you know it.

That's entirely the conversation I was trying to start. Fuck outta here with that crap.

That Obama enabled Wall Street? Still looks like character assassination.

[MERIZoC]

It's constant, ain't it?

Hey, I could swear the thread was about Trump. But thank you for the adoration anyways.

"The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016"

[Senkaku]

Hey, I could swear the thread was about Trump. But thank you for the adoration anyways.

"The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016"

they're all the same tbh

[Ngelmish]

It's a good thing that you're not even pretending not to speak in generalities. "Kickback" was the word that you used, demonstrate a provable quid pro quo or admit, that once again, far from caring about policy, or principles, your primary motivation emotionally based character assassination.

To be clear, I think that Obama's Wall Street record is problematic, but that's not the conversation you tried to start and you know it.

That's entirely the conversation I was trying to start. Fuck outta here with that crap.

You made two claims, that Obama's bad and that he is receiving kickbacks from Wall Street. Those were your only claims, and they weren't a springboard to talk about white-collar crime or the financial industry, they were a springboard to talk about the perfidy of one politician, who, you know (if you're as informed as you claim to be) has a mixed record on the financial industry. Obviously it's not as mixed as you would like given that your preference by proxy, the Bernie Sanders plan, is to dismantle the existing economic superstructure and worry about the details after that's happened.

But you didn't even present that as an alternative. Nope. Obama's "bad." Try again on you having one whit of intellectually honest interest in a politics that's not driven by exclusive focus on personality, vitriol, acrimony and grievance.

[MERIZoC]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

[The East Marches II]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

[Ngelmish]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Even if you want to dismiss them as window dressing, you should at least be honest enough to admit that he also enacted (sure, call them symbolic) restrictions on the industry.

But no, now that I think about, "Obama's bad" is more relevant and pithier. Has nothing to do with policy, and is only tangentially related to principle of course. But sure, why talk about outcomes when you can rail against personalities?

[Senkaku]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

big brother still loves u TEM </3

[The East Marches II]

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

big brother still loves u TEM

I only love his cousin MIC, I tried getting a restraining order but to no avail.

[Senkaku]

big brother still loves u TEM

I only love his cousin MIC, I tried getting a restraining order but to no avail.

did you not know

they're cousins of the alabama variety

should i sign ur kids up for some paternity tests

[The East Marches II]

I only love his cousin MIC, I tried getting a restraining order but to no avail.

did you not know

they're cousins of the alabama variety

should i sign ur kids up for some paternity tests

I-I had no i-idea of that fact.

Yes they need that test and brb I need to find some helium.

[MERIZoC]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Even if you want to dismiss them as window dressing, you should at least be honest enough to admit that he also enacted (sure, call them symbolic) restrictions on the industry.

But no, now that I think about, "Obama's bad" is more relevant and pithier. Has nothing to do with policy, and is only tangentially related to principle of course. But sure, why talk about outcomes when you can rail against personalities?

I still dont get where you're coming from when you say my opposition to Obama isn't based in policy.

I'm a literal anarchist. One would think I would have quite a few policy "disagreements" with him.

[Senkaku]

Even if you want to dismiss them as window dressing, you should at least be honest enough to admit that he also enacted (sure, call them symbolic) restrictions on the industry.

But no, now that I think about, "Obama's bad" is more relevant and pithier. Has nothing to do with policy, and is only tangentially related to principle of course. But sure, why talk about outcomes when you can rail against personalities?

I still dont get where you're coming from when you say my opposition to Obama isn't based in policy.

I'm a literal anarchist. One would think I would have quite a few policy "disagreements" with him.

Insofar as an anarchist can have "policy" to begin with lmao

[Turkducken]

All Democratic Leadership should resign and let the party fall apart. Same as the Republican Party.

Then we make the electoral system Proportional, with mixed-member and Single Transferable Vote.

Then we'll be in a very good place overall.

[USS Monitor]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

That is one of the few issues where I think Obama dropped the ball in a big way.

[Corrian]

It's constant, ain't it?

Hey, I could swear the thread was about Trump. But thank you for the adoration anyways.

Yeah, you respond just fine until you get called out, so don't even use that excuse.

[Bakery Hill]

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

That is one of the few issues where I think Obama dropped the ball in a big way.

Expanding the imperial presidency is great stuff when you're convinced you can never lose a Presidential election again.

"B-but the Blue Wall! Demographic change!"

[Corrian]

That is one of the few issues where I think Obama dropped the ball in a big way.

Expanding the imperial presidency is great stuff when you're convinced you can never lose a Presidential election again.

"B-but the Blue Wall! Demographic change!"

Blue wall would have stayed with the right candidate

[Bakery Hill]

Expanding the imperial presidency is great stuff when you're convinced you can never lose a Presidential election again.

"B-but the Blue Wall! Demographic change!"

Blue wall would have stayed with the right candidate

It's not really a wall if it can move though.

[Corrian]

Blue wall would have stayed with the right candidate

It's not really a wall if it can move though.

All walls must come down sometime. But they can be rebuilt

[Geilinor]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

[Telconi]

An answer to the "reeee Hillary Wall Street shill" talk. She seriously considered putting a financial transaction tax and a universal basic income in her platform.

Well, I guess it''s good to know she considered good policies... shame that she then abandoned them.

[Aidannadia]

I wonder where my grievances come from :thinking emoji:

Could it be that he helped bank and business centralization?

No, there must be something else.

Maybe it was expanding the surveillance state?

Or the numerous civilians casualties/expansion of the American empire in the middle-east. That could be it.