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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah those people in the Puget sound region should have their vote count less than yours. Your rural county should get to decide the statewide officials and control of the legislature even if your candidate loses the popular vote statewide.


I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

FYI your county is very blue

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

FYI your county is very blue


Yes, I know. What's your point?
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Corrian
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 pm

San Lumen, you might want a sarcasm detector and stop taking everything so seriously. It's kinda sad.

San Lumen wrote:
Corrian wrote:Yes, it will be.

So you'd be fine seeing Republican keep Congress and many state governments next year and Trump reelected?

Nowhere did I say that.

It will still be fun to see what happens in 2018.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah those people in the Puget sound region should have their vote count less than yours. Your rural county should get to decide the statewide officials and control of the legislature even if your candidate loses the popular vote statewide.


I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I'm the one that actually lives rural here.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:FYI your county is very blue


Yes, I know. What's your point?

So when you've talked before about King County and other populous counties deciding statewide elections and have hinted certain votes should count less then others what were you referring to?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:51 pm

Corrian wrote:San Lumen, you might want a sarcasm detector and stop taking everything so seriously. It's kinda sad.

San Lumen wrote:So you'd be fine seeing Republican keep Congress and many state governments next year and Trump reelected?

Nowhere did I say that.

It will still be fun to see what happens in 2018.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I'm the one that actually lives rural here.

I don't pick up on sarcasm very well.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:51 pm

Corrian wrote:San Lumen, you might want a sarcasm detector and stop taking everything so seriously. It's kinda sad.


And/or stop reducing political viewpoints that aren't yours to ridiculous caricatures.

Especially since you, San Lumen, seem to have a hard time distinguishing between views real people actually hold and talking points for lunatics.

98.5% of Republicans don't want to turn back the clock to the 1950s, let alone the 1830s. If the only way you can interact with other members of the political debate is to accuse them of views they definitively do not hold, don't be surprised when they don't treat your views seriously.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Corrian wrote:Yes, it will be.

So you'd be fine seeing Republican keep Congress and many state governments next year and Trump reelected?

My god, stop with the goddam strawmanning.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, I know. What's your point?

So when you've talked before about King County and other populous counties deciding statewide elections and have hinted certain votes should count less then others what were you referring to?


I haven't hinted shit, your reading comprehension just sucks and you project that view onto everyone. Yes I dislike Seattle and it's politicians, most of the people I've met in WA do. No I don't think my vote should be more (though if it was I'd have fun voting for totally nutty candidates) than someone else's.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah those people in the Puget sound region should have their vote count less than yours. Your rural county should get to decide the statewide officials and control of the legislature even if your candidate loses the popular vote statewide.


I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:33 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.


>mfw people think I'm a conservative
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:34 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.


Yeah, Oregon went like 40% GOP this election cycle...

Plus, WRA isn't a conservative. He just loves his guns. :p

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.


>mfw people think I'm a conservative

Reactionary, whatever.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I live in Olympia, stop with the stupid shitposting

I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.

Have you even looked at a map of Oregon or Washington before? Both of these are during landslide 2008 victories.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:35 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.


Yeah, Oregon went like 40% GOP this election cycle...

Plus, WRA isn't a conservative. He just loves his guns. :p

>mfw people take my jokes seriously
I mean, I know exactly what it's like to have people assume an entire state is full of people with only one political ideology, as a Utahn. I wouldn't do that to somebody else, it's annoying af.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah, Oregon went like 40% GOP this election cycle...

Plus, WRA isn't a conservative. He just loves his guns. :p

>mfw people take my jokes seriously
I mean, I know exactly what it's like to have people assume an entire state is full of people with only one political ideology, as a Utahn. I wouldn't do that to somebody else, it's annoying af.


Get outta here, you friggin Mormon. :p

Also, it's NSG. I'm pretty good at detecting jokes, but fuck man, some people 'round here are pretty humorless overall, just sayin'.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:37 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>mfw people take my jokes seriously
I mean, I know exactly what it's like to have people assume an entire state is full of people with only one political ideology, as a Utahn. I wouldn't do that to somebody else, it's annoying af.


Get outta here, you friggin Mormon. :p

Also, it's NSG. I'm pretty good at detecting jokes, but fuck man, some people 'round here are pretty humorless overall, just sayin'.

True.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:38 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
>mfw people think I'm a conservative

Reactionary, whatever.


Oh boy. You're a reactionary WRA.

*Braces for the machine gun guy to get triggered*...

*Realizes said machine gun guy is holding a Cobray*...

*Goes about day normally, confident that his body is smaller than the broad side of a barn*...
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-Government Overreach
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Reactionary, whatever.


Oh boy. You're a reactionary WRA.

*Braces for the machine gun guy to get triggered*...

*Realizes said machine gun guy is holding a Cobray*...

*Goes about day normally, confident that his body is smaller than the broad side of a barn*...

I don't actually think he's a reactionary, geez. Does anybody have a sense of humor around here?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I didn't know conservatives lived in the Pacific Northwest. Quite surprising.


>mfw people think I'm a conservative

"Support the GOA instead of the NRA"
WRA is that new?
I coulda sworn you were an NRA backer.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh boy. You're a reactionary WRA.

*Braces for the machine gun guy to get triggered*...

*Realizes said machine gun guy is holding a Cobray*...

*Goes about day normally, confident that his body is smaller than the broad side of a barn*...

I don't actually think he's a reactionary, geez. Does anybody have a sense of humor around here?


>Makes what is pretty clearly a joke

>"Does anybody have a sense of humor around here?"

:?
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-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
>mfw people think I'm a conservative

Reactionary, whatever.

If WRA is a reactionary than I'm a fucking monarchist.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:44 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Corrian wrote:San Lumen, you might want a sarcasm detector and stop taking everything so seriously. It's kinda sad.


And/or stop reducing political viewpoints that aren't yours to ridiculous caricatures.

Especially since you, San Lumen, seem to have a hard time distinguishing between views real people actually hold and talking points for lunatics.

98.5% of Republicans don't want to turn back the clock to the 1950s, let alone the 1830s. If the only way you can interact with other members of the political debate is to accuse them of views they definitively do not hold, don't be surprised when they don't treat your views seriously.

We can go back even further. 1789 would be acceptable.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
>mfw people think I'm a conservative

"Support the GOA instead of the NRA"
WRA is that new?
I coulda sworn you were an NRA backer.


It is new, but my take on it is...

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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I don't actually think he's a reactionary, geez. Does anybody have a sense of humor around here?


>Makes what is pretty clearly a joke

>"Does anybody have a sense of humor around here?"

:?

It was a joke, but it seemed like a joke based in misinterpreting my comment as serious, or WRA doing so. But anyway, I'm starting to prove my own point by dissecting this...
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:46 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:"Support the GOA instead of the NRA"
WRA is that new?
I coulda sworn you were an NRA backer.


It is new, but my take on it is...

Image

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