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Postby Corrian » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:51 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Corrian wrote:Elizabeth Warren is in the process of showing how some Democrats are still on the side of corporate banks.


Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.

No they don't. And what the fuck is a big socialist government bank anyway?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:55 pm

Corrian wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:
Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.

No they don't. And what the fuck is a big socialist government bank anyway?

An undefined bogeyman for Americans and rightists to use, most likely due to a misguided conflation of social democracy and socialism.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:
Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.

big socialist Government bank
You're not helping your case.


No, people love their nebulous boogeyman. It's why we've had two red scares.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:57 pm

Corrian wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:
Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.

No they don't. And what the fuck is a big socialist government bank anyway?


A bank that is big, publicly owned, and government administered?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:58 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:big socialist Government bank
You're not helping your case.


No, people love their nebulous boogeyman. It's why we've had two red scares.

My comment was more due to the atrocious grammar and randomly capitalized "government" making Missouri come across as uneducated, hurting the perceived accuracy of the statement, but that is also a problem.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:16 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Corrian wrote:Elizabeth Warren is in the process of showing how some Democrats are still on the side of corporate banks.


Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.


Ehhhh not really a solution. They have their own fucked up stuff as well.

I used to belong to a couple big ones. The last one once screwed up my checking and caused several bounces and add 42 separate fees for the effort. I challenged it; they admitted it and still expect the fees to be paid. They weren't.

The other one said I couldn't have a car loan and the bank said I could.

They are fine in other areas but they are not the solution.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:big socialist Government bank
You're not helping your case.


No, people love their nebulous boogeyman. It's why we've had two red scares.

They were justified in both cases.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:28 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:big socialist Government bank
You're not helping your case.


No, people love their nebulous boogeyman. It's why we've had two red scares.


It's about time we have a third tbh
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:37 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Corrian wrote:Elizabeth Warren is in the process of showing how some Democrats are still on the side of corporate banks.


Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.


Cooperative banking has been a huge success in largely red states like North Dakota. And that's not what they wanna bring back. Rather, they'd prefer to see the banks that were "too big to fail" more heavily regulated, which is perfectly reasonable for both Dems and Republicans.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
No, people love their nebulous boogeyman. It's why we've had two red scares.


It's about time we have a third tbh


Nah, there hasn't been a communist growth spurned by a World War.

...

yet.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:30 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's about time we have a third tbh


Nah, there hasn't been a communist growth spurned by a World War.

...

yet.

WWDPRK doesn't sound pleasant as an acronym.
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:
Too bad her and bernie want to replace it with big socialist Government bank.


we need to bring back widespread credit unions and other forms of cooperative banking.


Ehhhh not really a solution. They have their own fucked up stuff as well.

I used to belong to a couple big ones. The last one once screwed up my checking and caused several bounces and add 42 separate fees for the effort. I challenged it; they admitted it and still expect the fees to be paid. They weren't.

The other one said I couldn't have a car loan and the bank said I could.

They are fine in other areas but they are not the solution.

widespread, as in not big massive credit unions running a massive role.

Credit Unions built horizontally, not vertically.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Nah, there hasn't been a communist growth spurned by a World War.

...

yet.

WWDPRK doesn't sound pleasant as an acronym.


Would we not get to call it WWIII if it's the whole world on one side, and the DPRK on the other?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:WWDPRK doesn't sound pleasant as an acronym.


Would we not get to call it WWIII if it's the whole world on one side, and the DPRK on the other?


It'd probably just be called the Second Korean War in that case. Even though it'd just be the final act of the War that Never Ends.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:36 pm

Franken is resigning tomorrow.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:37 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Franken is resigning tomorrow.


Yeah, his star is in the descendant.

I’m interested to see what happens when allegations surface in a seat that isn’t safe.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Franken is resigning tomorrow.


A great shame, but he brought it on himself. He could have been President.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:43 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Franken is resigning tomorrow.


A great shame, but he brought it on himself. He could have been President.

What an awful thought.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:44 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Franken is resigning tomorrow.

Good call on his part. His name is tarnished, even if he 100% made amends with every one of his victims.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:44 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Franken is resigning tomorrow.


Yeah, his star is in the descendant.

I’m interested to see what happens when allegations surface in a seat that isn’t safe.


Sad thing is, I think 'when' is a more accurate representation than 'if'...
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:46 pm

Telconi wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Yeah, his star is in the descendant.

I’m interested to see what happens when allegations surface in a seat that isn’t safe.


Sad thing is, I think 'when' is a more accurate representation than 'if'...


We'll see.

Though I do think there will be some degree of hypocrisy involved if that becomes the case. I, for one, hope we're done with all the sexual assault.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:46 pm

Telconi wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Yeah, his star is in the descendant.

I’m interested to see what happens when allegations surface in a seat that isn’t safe.


Sad thing is, I think 'when' is a more accurate representation than 'if'...


Yeah. We’re in for a bloodletting in society and no mistake. When, definitely not if. True or false, a whole lot more prominent people are going to be falling on their swords before this movement runs her course.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's about time we have a third tbh

Ruined your chances what with all the talk of 'Socialism!' being Dems. Now there's a guy proudly bandying about the label as the bannerman in a major party. You lot (anti-leftists) literally turned a red scare opportunity into a red embrace. :p
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:01 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's about time we have a third tbh

Ruined your chances what with all the talk of 'Socialism!' being Dems. Now there's a guy proudly bandying about the label as the bannerman in a major party. You lot (anti-leftists) literally turned a red scare opportunity into a red embrace. :p


Just wait until the smears really start on Bernie, he'd become a lot more unpopular pretty quickly imo.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:02 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Sad thing is, I think 'when' is a more accurate representation than 'if'...


We'll see.

Though I do think there will be some degree of hypocrisy involved if that becomes the case. I, for one, hope we're done with all the sexual assault.

We're not, and never will be.
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