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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:44 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Corrian wrote:Progressive wave 2018!

I'd rather an actual tidal wave hit.


That's what you get for supporting policy that is objectively unsustainable and bad for the overwhelming majority of people.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 am


Its a safe democratic seat.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 am

San Lumen wrote:

Its a safe democratic seat.

Clearly. I wonder who will run in it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 am

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'd rather an actual tidal wave hit.


That's what you get for supporting policy that is objectively unsustainable and bad for the overwhelming majority of people.

One policy or multiple policies?
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:55 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That's what you get for supporting policy that is objectively unsustainable and bad for the overwhelming majority of people.

One policy or multiple policies?


Multiple.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:06 am

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Northern Davincia wrote:One policy or multiple policies?


Multiple.

See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:09 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Multiple.

See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.


Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:29 am

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Northern Davincia wrote:See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.


Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.

Tragedy of the Commons.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:34 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.

Tragedy of the Commons.

Throw the commons under private ownership and let everyone else get their own commons.
Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.


Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.

[citation needed]
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:40 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.

Tragedy of the Commons.


Ironically, most easily solved with individual property rights.

...not the most viable solution for politics, but a thought.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:19 am

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.


Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.


Seems to be functioning just fine...
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:23 am

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:See, that is why many people vote according to their own interest rather than how it affects the majority.


Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:32 am

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Society can't function if everyone operates exclusively out of their self-interest.


Seems to be functioning just fine...


Charity is a thing, as are welfare programs.

If people were selfish dicks, then emotional appeals and mass-marketing donations and charity drives wouldn't be effective, now would it?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:34 am

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Seems to be functioning just fine...


Charity is a thing, as are welfare programs.

If people were selfish dicks, then emotional appeals and mass-marketing donations and charity drives wouldn't be effective, now would it?


I would argue that people often give charity, or institute policies of welfare for personal gain.
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Postby Ism » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:47 am

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Charity is a thing, as are welfare programs.

If people were selfish dicks, then emotional appeals and mass-marketing donations and charity drives wouldn't be effective, now would it?


I would argue that people often give charity, or institute policies of welfare for personal gain.


But you concede that is not always the case?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 am

Ism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would argue that people often give charity, or institute policies of welfare for personal gain.


But you concede that is not always the case?


No. I would say that charity and institutional programs are always advocated by people acting, at least in part, by self interest.

Are they always motivated entirely by self interest, or even primarily? No. But I think it plays a part. And I think honest self reflection would reveal this.
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Postby Ism » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:54 am

Telconi wrote:
Ism wrote:
But you concede that is not always the case?


No. I would say that charity and institutional programs are always advocated by people acting, at least in part, by self interest.

Are they always motivated entirely by self interest, or even primarily? No. But I think it plays a part. And I think honest self reflection would reveal this.


We can agree on that, but the original point did deal with exclusively self-serving motivations.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:06 am

Ism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No. I would say that charity and institutional programs are always advocated by people acting, at least in part, by self interest.

Are they always motivated entirely by self interest, or even primarily? No. But I think it plays a part. And I think honest self reflection would reveal this.


We can agree on that, but the original point did deal with exclusively self-serving motivations.


Indeed, and I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with that, more like I was pointing out that exclusive self interestate isn't happening. And I would argue, couldn't happen.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ism wrote:
But you concede that is not always the case?


No. I would say that charity and institutional programs are always advocated by people acting, at least in part, by self interest.

Are they always motivated entirely by self interest, or even primarily? No. But I think it plays a part. And I think honest self reflection would reveal this.


Thank you for making this point. It's easy to forget about human nature when discussing social inequality and social justice.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:28 pm

what was so bad about this guy and his policies?

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:46 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:what was so bad about this guy and his policies?


I mean, America does appear to have fallen to the aliens, Ronald McDonald is shooting a bazooka at a Son of the Harpy, and it looks like he tied a nuke to his wife.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:48 pm

Senkaku wrote: he tied a nuke to his wife.

*looks at picture*

*nuke is tied to alligator*

Well played.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:57 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:what was so bad about this guy and his policies?



For one, his fly is unzipped... :p
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:33 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:what was so bad about this guy and his policies?



For one, his fly is unzipped... :p


That's normal.
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Postby UED » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:42 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
For one, his fly is unzipped... :p


That's normal.


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