The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016

[MERIZoC]

When people talk about gender race or sexuality in a way you don't like.

There's a reason I don't like it: it's a losing ideology. The Democrats could run on the fact that they have generally better economic policy than the Republicans. Instead they do this shit, and then they lose elections to Republicans who are hell-bent on destroying the middle class' livelihoods.

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

[MERIZoC]

FUCK YES DRAG THEM DANA

Oh god, you actually like her? I guess you didn't mind Clinton running on "I'm a woman, vote for me", then?

"Im a woman vote for me" is dumb and meaningless. But THAT. THAT has some fucking kick to it.

[Valrifell]

There's a reason I don't like it: it's a losing ideology. The Democrats could run on the fact that they have generally better economic policy than the Republicans. Instead they do this shit, and then they lose elections to Republicans who are hell-bent on destroying the middle class' livelihoods.

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

Political Nihilism isn't really an ideology, you know.

[G-Tech Corporation]

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

Political Nihilism isn't really an ideology, you know.

I like the defeatism though. It plays nicely into the hands of the insidious Judeo-Christian crypto-facist Big Business conspiracy that I support.

[MERIZoC]

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

Political Nihilism isn't really an ideology, you know.

One could argue that it is I suppose, but I'm struggling to see the relevance. Wrong post you quoted?

[Valrifell]

Political Nihilism isn't really an ideology, you know.

I like the defeatism though. It plays nicely into the hands of the insidious Judeo-Christian crypto-facist Big Business conspiracy that I support.

Pft, everything plays into the hands of the Jewish-black-LGBT Satan Worshiping "turn the frogs gay" communist cult that I support.

[Valrifell]

Political Nihilism isn't really an ideology, you know.

One could argue that it is I suppose, but I'm struggling to see the relevance. Wrong post you quoted?

Mistaken terms, I suppose, defeatism was probably the better one to use.

[MERIZoC]

One could argue that it is I suppose, but I'm struggling to see the relevance. Wrong post you quoted?

Mistaken terms, I suppose, defeatism was probably the better one to use.

Still confused

[Valrifell]

Mistaken terms, I suppose, defeatism was probably the better one to use.

Still confused

There's a reason I don't like it: it's a losing ideology. The Democrats could run on the fact that they have generally better economic policy than the Republicans. Instead they do this shit, and then they lose elections to Republicans who are hell-bent on destroying the middle class' livelihoods.

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

Bolded - "Republicans win all the time" - defeatism
Underlined - "Both parties do the same shit" - Nihilism.

[Major-Tom]

Oh god, you actually like her? I guess you didn't mind Clinton running on "I'm a woman, vote for me", then?

"Im a woman vote for me" is dumb and meaningless. But THAT. THAT has some fucking kick to it.

No, it's the same thing just more aggressive. "I'm a woman, which means I can't be capable of sexual harassment." Some bullshit.

[MERIZoC]

Still confused

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

Bolded - "Republicans win all the time" - defeatism
Underlined - "Both parties do the same shit" - Nihilism.

Broski I hate to break it to you, but uhhhhh


One side is winning and it's not the guys who think proposing earned income tax credits for small businesses is how you appeal to people.

edit: actually, it is, cause they're still the wealthy and powerful, but you get the point

[MERIZoC]

"Im a woman vote for me" is dumb and meaningless. But THAT. THAT has some fucking kick to it.

No, it's the same thing just more aggressive. "I'm a woman, which means I can't be capable of sexual harassment." Some bullshit.

I'm fairly confident a woman isn't gonna be titty honking any unconscious staffers—if the rest of you aren't, oh well.

I'd also like to note that Hillary has helped aggressively cover up for her rapist husband so comparing her thing with this is extra hilarious.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Bolded - "Republicans win all the time" - defeatism
Underlined - "Both parties do the same shit" - Nihilism.

Broski I hate to break it to you, but uhhhhh


One side is winning and it's not the guys who think proposing earned income tax credits for small businesses is how you appeal to people.

Yes, throw in the towel. Once the opposition crumbles, the plutocracy can begin in earnest. Democracy is on its way out anyway.

[Uiiop]

No, it's the same thing just more aggressive. "I'm a woman, which means I can't be capable of sexual harassment." Some bullshit.

I'm fairly confident a woman isn't gonna be titty honking any unconscious staffers—if the rest of you aren't, oh well.

I'd also like to note that Hillary has helped aggressively cover up for her rapist husband so comparing her thing with this is extra hilarious.

You are aware that you're just making your confidence seem just a little naive with that second point right?

[MERIZoC]

I'm fairly confident a woman isn't gonna be titty honking any unconscious staffers—if the rest of you aren't, oh well.

I'd also like to note that Hillary has helped aggressively cover up for her rapist husband so comparing her thing with this is extra hilarious.

You are aware that you're just making your confidence seem just a little naive with that second point right?

Yes yes, the hordes will descend down with cries of "male rape", Gallo with his sob stories, etc etc etc.

Fact of the matter is, if you look at how people in positions of power act, there's pretty clear patterns.

[Corrian]

Broski I hate to break it to you, but uhhhhh
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One side is winning and it's not the guys who think proposing earned income tax credits for small businesses is how you appeal to people.

edit: actually, it is, cause they're still the wealthy and powerful, but you get the point

Progressive wave 2018!

[Uiiop]

You are aware that you're just making your confidence seem just a little naive with that second point right?

Yes yes, the hordes will descend down with cries of "male rape", Gallo with his sob stories, etc etc etc.

Fact of the matter is, if you look at how people in positions of power act, there's pretty clear patterns.

I'm pretty sure that's what the "Hordes" would say too.
Assertions in themselves doesn't make anyone right.

[Hittanryan]

There's a reason I don't like it: it's a losing ideology. The Democrats could run on the fact that they have generally better economic policy than the Republicans. Instead they do this shit, and then they lose elections to Republicans who are hell-bent on destroying the middle class' livelihoods.

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

One party is about to hike taxes on the middle class to give tax breaks to billionaires who won't create jobs or raise wages with the extra funds. One party is voting against that and supports Net neutrality.

What you're right about is the Democrats are worse at the game, not the dirty tricks game, but the message game. This identity politics shit alienates huge swaths of America. In a democracy, you need more votes to win, not less.

[MERIZoC]

No, they run on terrible economic policies just like the republicans, and then lose cause the republicans are better at the game, that is pandering, disenfranchising, and gerrymandering.

One party is about to hike taxes on the middle class to give tax breaks to billionaires who won't create jobs or raise wages with the extra funds. One party is voting against that and supports Net neutrality.

What you're right about is the Democrats are worse at the game, not the dirty tricks game, but the message game. This identity politics shit alienates huge swaths of America. In a democracy, you need more votes to win, not less.

Food for thought: Maybe they'd be better at messaging if their identity wasn't, as you said, simply "against that".

[Northern Davincia]

Broski I hate to break it to you, but uhhhhh
(Image)

One side is winning and it's not the guys who think proposing earned income tax credits for small businesses is how you appeal to people.

edit: actually, it is, cause they're still the wealthy and powerful, but you get the point

Progressive wave 2018!

I'd rather an actual tidal wave hit.

[Cekoviu]

You are aware that you're just making your confidence seem just a little naive with that second point right?

Yes yes, the hordes will descend down with cries of "male rape", Gallo with his sob stories, etc etc etc.

Fact of the matter is, if you look at how people in positions of power act, there's pretty clear patterns.

I mean, I hate MRAs, but it seems awfully like you're trying to say women don't ever rape men.

[Galloism]

You are aware that you're just making your confidence seem just a little naive with that second point right?

Yes yes, the hordes will descend down with cries of "male rape", Gallo with his sob stories, etc etc etc.

Fact of the matter is, if you look at how people in positions of power act, there's pretty clear patterns.

Yes, people in positions of power tend to abuse those positions.

"Power corrupts" and all that.

[Petrasylvania]

Point of order- what does everyone mean when they're referring to "identity politics"? People on NSG seem to mostly use it to smear third-wave feminism and relatively edgy LGBT policies pertaining to transgender/transsexual people.

"Anything that acknowledges people other than white men."

Or "Stoking up anything in politics besides white resentment."

[Corrian]

Progressive wave 2018!

I'd rather an actual tidal wave hit.

Too bad

[Corrian]

18 term Democrat representative to retire