The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016

[San Lumen]

Like some horror movie where the almost dead person is brought back by a mysterious chemical that is secretly turning them into a horrifying version of their former selves.

Sure they might be alive again, stronger, faster, better, but they've lost something and eventually the chemical will cause them to violently disintegrate and explode.

Do you want that fate for the Democratic party?

Does it lead to my country being destroyed?

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

[Blakk Metal]

Does it lead to my country being destroyed?

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

How?

[San Lumen]

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

How?

Like any party has. 2018 has many governor and statewide elections and if the Republicans actually do what they say they will do I cant imagine they will keep power in 2020. The latter is if they don't rig the election so they cant lose.

[Geilinor]

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

How?

People asked the Republicans the same question in 2008. They were in a worse position in Congress. Trump is already unpopular and he's responsible for what he does now.

[San Lumen]

How?

People asked the Republicans the same question in 2008. They were in a worse position in Congress. Trump is already unpopular and he's responsible for what he does now.

Hopefully he doesn't cause nuclear war.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Does it lead to my country being destroyed?

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

Hopefully we do. Fragmentation now would mean becoming the British Lib Dems while the Reds sell the country down the river.

[San Lumen]

The Democrats will recover. 2018 and beyond.

Hopefully we do. Fragmentation now would mean becoming the British Lib Dems while the Reds sell the country down the river.

I honestly do not think that will happen.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Hopefully we do. Fragmentation now would mean becoming the British Lib Dems while the Reds sell the country down the river.

I honestly do not think that will happen.

Nah, worst case scenario is that the Reds get the run of the country just like we did in the 1820s and 30s until they fuck up and fragment.

[The Lone Alliance]

Like some horror movie where the almost dead person is brought back by a mysterious chemical that is secretly turning them into a monsterous version of their former selves.

Sure they might be alive again, stronger, faster, better, but they've lost something and eventually the chemical will cause them to violently disintegrate and explode.

This is the best comparison I've ever seen.

Thanks.

Does it lead to my country being destroyed?

It's highly possible yes. A house divided cannot stand.

[Corrian]

I don't either. I am a bit suspicious that it's due to the influence of donations or lobbying.

Still wouldn't be a deal-breaker for getting my vote if he ran for president, just a reason why he might not be my first choice.

Allowing lobbying was the worst decision this country ever made.

...Okay, that's a bit extreme.

[USS Monitor]

I don't either. I am a bit suspicious that it's due to the influence of donations or lobbying.

Still wouldn't be a deal-breaker for getting my vote if he ran for president, just a reason why he might not be my first choice.

Allowing lobbying was the worst decision this country ever made.

...Okay, that's a bit extreme.

Pretty sure allowing slavery was worse. Not only did it mean we had slavery for several years; it also caused a major war.

[Balkenreich]

How?

Like any party has. 2018 has many governor and statewide elections and if the Republicans actually do what they say they will do I cant imagine they will keep power in 2020. The latter is if they don't rig the election so they cant lose.

still keeping that one conspiracy of yours fresh in the mind, are ya?

[Cattle Mutilators]

Allowing lobbying was the worst decision this country ever made.

...Okay, that's a bit extreme.

I don't see how lobbying could have been prevented. It's a direct consequence of the right to petition Congress for a "redress of [one's] grievances", as well as the right to free speech.

[Ngelmish]

I don't either. I am a bit suspicious that it's due to the influence of donations or lobbying.

Still wouldn't be a deal-breaker for getting my vote if he ran for president, just a reason why he might not be my first choice.

Allowing lobbying was the worst decision this country ever made.

...Okay, that's a bit extreme.

"Lobbying" is nothing more than petitioning your government/representatives. When you sign online calls to action that have Bernie Sanders' name attached to them, that's lobbying. When you call your congressman's office, that's lobbying. When you press a presidential candidate on specific policy commitments during a town hall debate, that's lobbying. Obviously there need to be some important changes and restrictions made so that the lobbying field isn't grotesquely tilted towards only the wealthiest or best organized (usually because of wealth accumulation) groups, but lobbying is a basic and crucial element of open and responsive government.

[San Lumen]

Like any party has. 2018 has many governor and statewide elections and if the Republicans actually do what they say they will do I cant imagine they will keep power in 2020. The latter is if they don't rig the election so they cant lose.

still keeping that one conspiracy of yours fresh in the mind, are ya?

Its not a conspiracy when a certain political party limits voting hours and polling places in certain counties and does everything it can to prevent certain people from voting with things like Voter ID laws and gerrymandering.

[PaNTuXIa]

still keeping that one conspiracy of yours fresh in the mind, are ya?

Its not a conspiracy when a certain political party limits voting hours and polling places in certain counties and does everything it can to prevent certain people from voting with things like Voter ID laws and gerrymandering.

It's also not a conspiracy when leftists try to censor conservative news outlets, "ban" ideologies, and sometimes even attempt to threaten them.

[San Lumen]

Its not a conspiracy when a certain political party limits voting hours and polling places in certain counties and does everything it can to prevent certain people from voting with things like Voter ID laws and gerrymandering.

It's also not a conspiracy when leftists try to censor conservative news outlets, "ban" ideologies, and sometimes even attempt to threaten them.

They didnt do their job as electors and put party over country.

[Collatis]

Its not a conspiracy when a certain political party limits voting hours and polling places in certain counties and does everything it can to prevent certain people from voting with things like Voter ID laws and gerrymandering.

It's also not a conspiracy when leftists try to censor conservative news outlets, "ban" ideologies, and sometimes even attempt to threaten them.

There's a huge difference between elected officials doing what San Lumen described, and private citizens doing what you just mentioned.

[Corrian]

Its not a conspiracy when a certain political party limits voting hours and polling places in certain counties and does everything it can to prevent certain people from voting with things like Voter ID laws and gerrymandering.

It's also not a conspiracy when leftists try to censor conservative news outlets, "ban" ideologies, and sometimes even attempt to threaten them.

That is bad but what does that have to do with the topic?

[MERIZoC]

No legitimate reasons have been given so why should we think they would exist?

Well, Cory Booker said because of regulatory standards or something.

It might be bullshit, but they gave reasons nonetheless.

Keyword is "legitimate". The regulatory standards thing is clearly made up crap, any quick google search will prove that to you.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/17/booker-and-big-pharma-dems-have-no-excuse-vote-proves-it

[Corrian]

Well, Cory Booker said because of regulatory standards or something.

It might be bullshit, but they gave reasons nonetheless.

Keyword is "legitimate". The regulatory standards thing is clearly made up crap, any quick google search will prove that to you.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/17/booker-and-big-pharma-dems-have-no-excuse-vote-proves-it

Yeah, he seems full of shit. Hopefully I don't have to force myself to vote for his ass in 2020.

[Corrian]

There is a DNC Chair debate going

[Corrian]

This one guy is talking about bringing back the 50 State Strategy.

They're all talking about needing to work together, and not do infighting with each other as well.

[Corrian]

I like at least a few of these people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I like at least a few of these people.

And I'm over here having no idea who most of them are.