TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[New haven america]

I find it interesting how a good chunk of the people screaming "Trump won, get over it" spent the past 8 years complaining about Obama.

Someone, help this hellhole of a country, please.

I find it interesting how people who were sure Clinton would win now are talking about how the electoral college is a bad thing.

Honestly, I do not understand either side, and it's better if I don't try to anymore.

This has gotten to ridiculous levels already, and personally? I am tired of it all. Many friends have been split over this, people have engaged in riots and hate crimes across the country, and I honestly cannot condone the riots and violence that has surged over this, from either side.

I am done trying to give a lending voice to either side. Trump won, move on and stop trying to make it sound like it is the end of times. I voted Kasich in the primaries, Clinton in the general, and was a supporter of Obama during his entire presidency. And even I side with Trump supporters on this.

I've been complaining about how the EC is terrible for years now, I'm personally glad more people now have an initiative to try to get rid of it.

I would try to be more civil and supportive of Trump, however, due to the multiple terrible and idiot things he's said, promised, and done already, along with his lack of experience in any public office, just doesn't sit well with me. Also, since he has a Congressional Majority, he can get away with a lot.

I'm not a Liberal, I'm a Progressive, and basically everything Trump represents and wants will hinder progress to make this country better.

[The Foxes Swamp]

just sit back and enjoy the show, there aint much you can do to stop it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've been complaining about how the EC is terrible for years now, I'm personally glad more people now have an initiative to try to get rid of it.

I would try to be more civil and supportive of Trump, however, due to the multiple terrible and idiot things he's said, promised, and done already, along with his lack of experience in any public office, just doesn't sit well with me. Also, since he has a Congressional Majority, he can get away with a lot.

I'm not a Liberal, I'm a Progressive, and basically everything Trump represents and wants doesn't help with progress to make this country better.

And if you want to get rid of the EC you're going to have to end the Federation and move to a unitary government structure. Sorry, but I do not see another way you can achieve that.

Also, I don't really care if he somehow is the devil incarnate. My problem stems not from Trump, because he is an idiot and an idiot will do idiot things, it's how people who are supposed to be "enlightened" and "understanding" are launching massive riots and treating their friends like shit over a vote. Sorry, but personally that doesn't sit well with me either, from either side.

I'm more ideologically to the center, so even I balk at Trump but you know what? I personally can take a hit to the chin and move on, unlike many people around here who don't seem to get the concept of, you know, being able to do that themselves. Be the change you want to show, don't talk about the change you want to see.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

A webcomic he doesn't give a shit about. Saturday Night Live or anything just as famous he'll throw a triggered bitch fit about on 3AM Twitter despite being the God Emperor of Anti-PC and SJW.

Clinton is in favor of nuclear war is ignorable. Trump making a heat of the moment Tweet at 3AM is bad. That is some fucked up logic.

Nuclear war? That's a bit extreme.

Basically the cries against PC boils down to "Why won't these SJW hippies shut up when I yell 'Nigger' or talk about how I want to grab some hot chick's pussy?"

Is all you do post unfunny remarks?

Every time I even start to question my conservatism, I just need to see how Gauthier views the world.

In other words, no he doesn't. I don't know why he always says these things, but he speaks in hyperboles, maybe in an effort to set someone off. It's something you learn to love in the opposition.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Basically the cries against PC boils down to "Why won't these SJW hippies shut up when I yell 'Nigger' or talk about how I want to grab some hot chick's pussy?"

Is all you do post unfunny remarks?

They're plenty funny.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Is all you do post unfunny remarks?

They're plenty funny.

More annoying to be honest.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

They're plenty funny.

More annoying to be honest.

Eh. I can see how they get on people's nerves. I admit I have the luxury of sympathizing with the same ideological tendencies as Gauth, which colors my thinking.

[New haven america]

I've been complaining about how the EC is terrible for years now, I'm personally glad more people now have an initiative to try to get rid of it.

I would try to be more civil and supportive of Trump, however, due to the multiple terrible and idiot things he's said, promised, and done already, along with his lack of experience in any public office, just doesn't sit well with me. Also, since he has a Congressional Majority, he can get away with a lot.

I'm not a Liberal, I'm a Progressive, and basically everything Trump represents and wants doesn't help with progress to make this country better.

And if you want to get rid of the EC you're going to have to end the Federation and move to a unitary government structure. Sorry, but I do not see another way you can achieve that.

Also, I don't really care if he somehow is the devil incarnate. My problem stems not from Trump, because he is an idiot and an idiot will do idiot things, it's how people who are supposed to be "enlightened" and "understanding" are launching massive riots and treating their friends like shit over a vote. Sorry, but personally that doesn't sit well with me either, from either side.

I'm more ideologically to the center, so even I balk at Trump but you know what? I personally can take a hit to the chin and move on, unlike many people around here who don't seem to get the concept of, you know, being able to do that themselves.

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open. For example, if he gets to pass or reform even half of the things he wants to, I'll be screwed, I might be homeless, I might not have healthcare or insurance, my life will take a turn for the worse, and yet I'll have no power to change it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And if you want to get rid of the EC you're going to have to end the Federation and move to a unitary government structure. Sorry, but I do not see another way you can achieve that.

Also, I don't really care if he somehow is the devil incarnate. My problem stems not from Trump, because he is an idiot and an idiot will do idiot things, it's how people who are supposed to be "enlightened" and "understanding" are launching massive riots and treating their friends like shit over a vote. Sorry, but personally that doesn't sit well with me either, from either side.

I'm more ideologically to the center, so even I balk at Trump but you know what? I personally can take a hit to the chin and move on, unlike many people around here who don't seem to get the concept of, you know, being able to do that themselves.

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open.

Like I said, if you want to change how the country works, you have to concentrate more power to the Federal government and make it far more powerful than it is right now. States still have power over their subjects. The United States is, hardly, a unitary state, and for the Federal government to be a representative of the people it has to switch from a federation to a unitary government.

As for your point of being a major artery being cut open, I don't see it that way. It's 4 years. It's not like Trump is being declared the king of the United States or something.

[Grinning Dragon]

And if you want to get rid of the EC you're going to have to end the Federation and move to a unitary government structure. Sorry, but I do not see another way you can achieve that.

Also, I don't really care if he somehow is the devil incarnate. My problem stems not from Trump, because he is an idiot and an idiot will do idiot things, it's how people who are supposed to be "enlightened" and "understanding" are launching massive riots and treating their friends like shit over a vote. Sorry, but personally that doesn't sit well with me either, from either side.

I'm more ideologically to the center, so even I balk at Trump but you know what? I personally can take a hit to the chin and move on, unlike many people around here who don't seem to get the concept of, you know, being able to do that themselves.

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open.

Isn't all that easy, it would require a Constitutional change. see: Article 2, Section 1, and the 12th Amendment.

The EC is fine no need to change it.

[New haven america]

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open.

Like I said, if you want to change how the country works, you have to concentrate more power to the Federal government and make it far more powerful than it is right now. States still have power over their subjects. The United States is, hardly, a unitary state, and for the Federal government to be a representative of the people it has to switch from a federation to a unitary government.

As for your point of being a major artery being cut open, I don't see it that way. It's 4 years. It's not like Trump is being declared the king of the United States or something.

No, it doesn't, it can still run as a Federal Republic and use the Popular Voting system when it comes to Presidential Elections. Actually, by using the EC, the population has less representation as a hole (This can be seen by the Popular Vote of the 2016 elections, and by doing some number crunching, for example, California would need to have 100+ Electors to match Wyoming's 3 when it comes to representation).

If Trump gets to pass, reform, or ammend half of the things he's promised, millions of people will be screwed, me for example, I might be homeless, or be without healthcare or insurance, and I'm not the only one. Millions of other utilize the social safety nets and government programs created in the past 8 years, and he wants to do away with them, and has the congressional backing to do so. He also plans to make a Climate Change denier the head of the EPA, and cut funding to Green Initiatives and give that money to the Fossil Fuel industry. Also, let's not forget, he wants Pence to be heavily involved in governmental business, so gay rights and women's rights will be poping up, again.

That's only a fraction of what he'll be able to do, there's more terrible ideas out there, and he seems prepared to make them happen.

[New haven america]

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open.

Isn't all that easy, it would require a Constitutional change. see: Article 2, Section 1, and the 12th Amendment.

The EC is fine no need to change it.

Yes, I understand, which is another reason why I hate it.

No, it's not fine, it's a broken, archaic system that needs to go.

[New Werpland]

No you won't, all you'll have to do is switch it to a Popular Voting system, which literally every other Public Office uses, except for the Presidency. (Also, the US is the only country in the world that uses the EC, so yeah...)

Few points in the second part, 1. The riot you're talking about (The Portland Riot) wasn't caused by Anti-Trump Protesters (Who have been amazingly peaceful, considering the size of them), it was caused by one of the local Anarchist Groups, the PPD has been very clear on that point, and 2. Yes, I agree, those people acting out because of who voted for who are being ridiculous.

Yes, I can too, however, him being elected isn't just a hit to the chin, it's more akin to having a major artery cut open.

Like I said, if you want to change how the country works, you have to concentrate more power to the Federal government and make it far more powerful than it is right now. States still have power over their subjects. The United States is, hardly, a unitary state, and for the Federal government to be a representative of the people it has to switch from a federation to a unitary government.

As for your point of being a major artery being cut open, I don't see it that way. It's 4 years. It's not like Trump is being declared the king of the United States or something.

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

[Grinning Dragon]

Like I said, if you want to change how the country works, you have to concentrate more power to the Federal government and make it far more powerful than it is right now. States still have power over their subjects. The United States is, hardly, a unitary state, and for the Federal government to be a representative of the people it has to switch from a federation to a unitary government.

As for your point of being a major artery being cut open, I don't see it that way. It's 4 years. It's not like Trump is being declared the king of the United States or something.

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

[Longweather]

You want funny? Read the transcripts of Trump's answers during his debates against Clinton. Even Tommy Wiseau couldn't write dialogue so hilariously stupid.

Lord... I could barely handle hearing Senator Clinton say the US was energy independent for the first time (which is blatantly false as the US still imports like 10-13% of its energy from overseas in the form of oil). It was the only thing I heard in the debates besides catching the last question and answers of the second debate. If presumptive President-Elect Trump was worse than a former Secretary of State saying so blatantly stupid/false then I don't want to read or hear what he said besides that nice compliment he gave her.

[New haven america]

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

Actually, the US is walking off that pier, and every other democracic/federalized country is laughing at us.

[New Werpland]

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

You know what I'm not even really correct there. Most countries don't do it through direct popular vote.

My bad.

[Killdash]

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

Not to mention, this is kind of a silly argument. It's hardly a walk off the pier kind of argument.

[The Lone Alliance]

So I'm hearing a lot of the supposed case of tales of "Violent Trump supporters" are just people making stuff up on facebook to attention whore.

That's a slight relief, though a disappointment in the people faking it.

[Gauthier]

So I'm hearing a lot of the supposed case of tales of "Violent Trump supporters" are just people making stuff up on facebook to attention whore.

That's a slight relief, though a disappointment in the people faking it.

The chance that every single one is faked is rather low.

[The Lone Alliance]

So I'm hearing a lot of the supposed case of tales of "Violent Trump supporters" are just people making stuff up on facebook to attention whore.

That's a slight relief, though a disappointment in the people faking it.

The chance that every single one is faked is rather low.

I said "a lot" not all... at least the worser ones.

[Wulfcastle]

WAS more popular. Obama managed to alienate a lot of people who voted for him with the failure of Obamacare, his embracing of the TPP, and his anti-gun rhetoric.

Obama had like a 55 to 59% approval rating. Or I should say HAS.

I would think that, if nothing else, this election has shown that opinion polls are wholly unreliable.

I'd say the fact that Hillary, who promised to continue Obama's policies, lost a number of traditionally blue states to Trump is far more telling.

[Gauthier]

Obama had like a 55 to 59% approval rating. Or I should say HAS.

I would think that, if nothing else, this election has shown that opinion polls are wholly unreliable.

I'd say the fact that Hillary, who promised to continue Obama's policies, lost a number of traditionally blue states to Trump is far more telling.

Combination of FuckTheEstablishmentitis and blue collars wanting back jobs that are going extinct.

[Parrona]

With clinton:WW3 where Asia and Europe are on the front line.
With trump:Asia and Europe on the front line of a "skirmish".


America is better off with Trump.
Asia and Europe is doomed either way.

[Vassenor]

With clinton:WW3 where Asia and Europe are on the front line.
With trump:Asia and Europe on the front line of a "skirmish".


America is better off with Trump.
Asia and Europe is doomed either way.

What's your evidence that she would cause WW3?