TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Liriena]

That does actually sound like just the right thing to win in the current political climate.

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Yup.

[Pirelin]

How on earth could people call Donald Trump, a billionaire and a real estate tycoon, living in a penthouse on a building with his name on it in golden letters, anti-establishment? He is the establishment. Rich, white, living highly elevated above the poor, playing golf on his Scottish golf course. If that isn't elitist and a part of the establishment, I don't know what is.

Because his policies are anti-establishment. He's pro-nationalism, while most elites are pro-globalism. He's anti-trade, while most elites are pro-trade. He wants to restore our infrastructure, most elites don't.

[Rio Cana]

Trump said he would keep certain things of the Affordable Care act in his new health plan. One provision is that part about insurance company not denying insurance to anyone because of a condition they might have. Sems this provision is very popular with the majority of people. Experrts say anyone who got rid of this provision would not be able to get re-elected.

[Pirelin]

That does actually sound like just the right thing to win in the current political climate.

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Le Pen is actually quite moderate for the alt-right.

[Aelex]

Left-wing nationalism? That's a thing? Wow, the European left sounds a hell of a lot better than the American left.

To be fair, the "left-wing" should be put on quotation as he sounds like he support more of a traditional Patriotism and he is over-haul more of a centrist than anything else but still. He's one of the few candidate I would be ready to vote for rather than merely voting against another one.

[Aelex]

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Meh. Le Pen has been called a "Dangerous Bolshevik" by the leader of the far-right dutch party.
She's honestly more of a leftist Ultra-Nat than anything else.

[Pirelin]

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Meh. Le Pen has been called a "Dangerous Bolshevik" by the leader of the far-right dutch party.
She's honestly more of a leftist Ultra-Nat than anything else.

Not really left, but an ultranat, yes.

Centre-right ultranationalism.

[Liriena]

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Meh. Le Pen has been called a "Dangerous Bolshevik" by the leader of the far-right dutch party.
She's honestly more of a leftist Ultra-Nat than anything else.

She certainly has been trying really hard to clean up after her father's legacy.

[Police state of France]

tfw victory

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wowgkozf2kk

[Infected Mushroom]

Well, I'm not.

If it was Bernie against the US party machine, that'd be one thing.

With Trump? No, I'm not happy. Not at all.

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

The USA needs a Joker; its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

[Liriena]

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

The USA needs a Joker

Said nobody who actually saw The Dark Knight ever.

[Liriena]

its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

And so you elected a corrupt oligarch who hates the other corrupt oligarchs.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

How on earth could people call Donald Trump, a billionaire and a real estate tycoon, living in a penthouse on a building with his name on it in golden letters, anti-establishment? He is the establishment. Rich, white, living highly elevated above the poor, playing golf on his Scottish golf course. If that isn't elitist and a part of the establishment, I don't know what is.

Because his policies are anti-establishment. He's pro-nationalism, while most elites are pro-globalism. He's anti-trade, while most elites are pro-trade. He wants to restore our infrastructure, most elites don't.

Anti-establishment? Donald Trumps policies?

Let me remind you, his tax plan calls for the removal of child tax deductions, placing more of a burden on low-income families, while relieving this pressure on the higher earners. All the while, Clinton wanted to increase capital gains tax and high earner income tax. On that note, Clinton is far more anti-establishment thatn Trump.

As for Trump being pro-nationalism (apparently against being pro-globalism, like the two are opposites), he only proposed to drop NATO. He is willing to work and trade more with China while strengthening ties with Russia. That's not really nationalist, as much as pragmatic.

Being anti-trade is just an asinine position to hold.

And elites don't want to restore infrastructure? If I remember correctly, the elites have the most to gain by increasing infrastructure. Roads, bridges and railways favour those who need that infrastructure to profit, like industrialists, mining companies and other such businesses. 'Working Joe' has to gain by establishing infrastructure, but not as much as Wall Street has to gain.

[Hittanryan]

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

The USA needs a Joker; its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

The Joker also lied when it suited him.

I'll believe good from Trump when I see good from Trump. All of his post-election moderation could be yet another con. After all, so far he's been on every side of every issue.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.

Meh. Le Pen has been called a "Dangerous Bolshevik" by the leader of the far-right dutch party.
She's honestly more of a leftist Ultra-Nat than anything else.

Ehm... What far-right party are we talking about?

Because Geert Wilders and Le Pen couldn't be closer friends if they shared razor blades.

[Pirelin]

Because his policies are anti-establishment. He's pro-nationalism, while most elites are pro-globalism. He's anti-trade, while most elites are pro-trade. He wants to restore our infrastructure, most elites don't.

Anti-establishment? Donald Trumps policies?

Let me remind you, his tax plan calls for the removal of child tax deductions, placing more of a burden on low-income families, while relieving this pressure on the higher earners. All the while, Clinton wanted to increase capital gains tax and high earner income tax. On that note, Clinton is far more anti-establishment thatn Trump.

As for Trump being pro-nationalism (apparently against being pro-globalism, like the two are opposites), he only proposed to drop NATO. He is willing to work and trade more with China while strengthening ties with Russia. That's not really nationalist, as much as pragmatic.

Being anti-trade is just an asinine position to hold.

And elites don't want to restore infrastructure? If I remember correctly, the elites have the most to gain by increasing infrastructure. Roads, bridges and railways favour those who need that infrastructure to profit, like industrialists, mining companies and other such businesses. 'Working Joe' has to gain by establishing infrastructure, but not as much as Wall Street has to gain.

Not my problem if you decided to have 5 kids instead of going to college.

And actually, Trump wants to ban the ability to lobby for foreign governments. Not even Bernie Sanders proposed that.

He also wants a cool-off period of five years before a politician can lobby.

He's much more radical than Bernie, honestly.

He also wants to close tax loopholes. Clinton didn't want to do that. You think her friends Buffet, Soros, and Dimon want that? They don't. She's owned by Wall Street globalists.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Anti-establishment? Donald Trumps policies?

Let me remind you, his tax plan calls for the removal of child tax deductions, placing more of a burden on low-income families, while relieving this pressure on the higher earners. All the while, Clinton wanted to increase capital gains tax and high earner income tax. On that note, Clinton is far more anti-establishment thatn Trump.

As for Trump being pro-nationalism (apparently against being pro-globalism, like the two are opposites), he only proposed to drop NATO. He is willing to work and trade more with China while strengthening ties with Russia. That's not really nationalist, as much as pragmatic.

Being anti-trade is just an asinine position to hold.

And elites don't want to restore infrastructure? If I remember correctly, the elites have the most to gain by increasing infrastructure. Roads, bridges and railways favour those who need that infrastructure to profit, like industrialists, mining companies and other such businesses. 'Working Joe' has to gain by establishing infrastructure, but not as much as Wall Street has to gain.

Not my problem if you decided to have 5 kids instead of going to college.

And actually, Trump wants to ban the ability to lobby for foreign governments. Not even Bernie Sanders proposed that.

He also wants a cool-off period of five years before a politician can lobby.

He's much more radical than Bernie, honestly.

He also wants to close tax loopholes. Clinton didn't want to do that. You think her friends Buffet, Soros, and Dimon want that? They don't. She's owned by Wall Street globalists.

Let me remind you that Trump used those loopholes extensively.

Stopping Americans from lobbying for foreign governments. Is that really it? His chief campaigner was a lobbyist for the Ukrainian president, for Pete's sake. That's such a minor issue, tackling it doesn't give you the right to wear the 'anti-establishment hat'.

And about the tax plan, the argument was not whether it was good or bad. The argument was that it was a very elitist tax policy. Are you claiming all people should just go to college instead of having kids? Because that in itself isn't too anti-establishment.

Edit: not to mention that, yes, Clinton did want to close loopholes. I don't know where you're getting the idea from that Clinton didn't want to close them.

[Kubra]

Anti-establishment? Donald Trumps policies?

Let me remind you, his tax plan calls for the removal of child tax deductions, placing more of a burden on low-income families, while relieving this pressure on the higher earners. All the while, Clinton wanted to increase capital gains tax and high earner income tax. On that note, Clinton is far more anti-establishment thatn Trump.

As for Trump being pro-nationalism (apparently against being pro-globalism, like the two are opposites), he only proposed to drop NATO. He is willing to work and trade more with China while strengthening ties with Russia. That's not really nationalist, as much as pragmatic.

Being anti-trade is just an asinine position to hold.

And elites don't want to restore infrastructure? If I remember correctly, the elites have the most to gain by increasing infrastructure. Roads, bridges and railways favour those who need that infrastructure to profit, like industrialists, mining companies and other such businesses. 'Working Joe' has to gain by establishing infrastructure, but not as much as Wall Street has to gain.

Not my problem if you decided to have 5 kids instead of going to college.

And actually, Trump wants to ban the ability to lobby for foreign governments. Not even Bernie Sanders proposed that.

He also wants a cool-off period of five years before a politician can lobby.

He's much more radical than Bernie, honestly.

He also wants to close tax loopholes. Clinton didn't want to do that. You think her friends Buffet, Soros, and Dimon want that? They don't. She's owned by Wall Street globalists.

why does no one care about fertility rates

[Pirelin]

Not my problem if you decided to have 5 kids instead of going to college.

And actually, Trump wants to ban the ability to lobby for foreign governments. Not even Bernie Sanders proposed that.

He also wants a cool-off period of five years before a politician can lobby.

He's much more radical than Bernie, honestly.

He also wants to close tax loopholes. Clinton didn't want to do that. You think her friends Buffet, Soros, and Dimon want that? They don't. She's owned by Wall Street globalists.

Let me remind you that Trump used those loopholes extensively.

Stopping Americans from lobbying for foreign governments. Is that really it? His chief campaigner was a lobbyist for the Ukrainian president, for Pete's sake. That's such a minor issue, tackling it doesn't give you the right to wear the 'anti-establishment hat'.

And about the tax plan, the argument was not whether it was good or bad. The argument was that it was a very elitist tax policy. Are you claiming all people should just go to college instead of having kids? Because that in itself isn't too anti-establishment.

Banning foreign lobbying is extremely anti-establishment.

Trump did use loopholes, but if he doesn't follow through on his promise to close them, he'll probably lose PA, MI, WI, and OH in the next election. He needs the blue collar vote.

[Pirelin]

Not my problem if you decided to have 5 kids instead of going to college.

And actually, Trump wants to ban the ability to lobby for foreign governments. Not even Bernie Sanders proposed that.

He also wants a cool-off period of five years before a politician can lobby.

He's much more radical than Bernie, honestly.

He also wants to close tax loopholes. Clinton didn't want to do that. You think her friends Buffet, Soros, and Dimon want that? They don't. She's owned by Wall Street globalists.

Edit: not to mention that, yes, Clinton did want to close loopholes. I don't know where you're getting the idea from that Clinton didn't want to close them.

No clue, maybe because the people she's funded by use them?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Edit: not to mention that, yes, Clinton did want to close loopholes. I don't know where you're getting the idea from that Clinton didn't want to close them.

No clue, maybe because the people she's funded by use them?

So, your argument is:

1) Clinton is elitist, because
2) She doesn't want to close tax loopholes, because
3) She takes money from those who use them, because
4) Clinton is elitist, because (repeat until done).

You argument is a circle. You begin by accepting that Clinton is elitist, and then attach anything to that you think strengthens your argument.

In your line of reasoning: while Clinton might be funded by people who use those loopholes, Trump is a person who uses those loopholes himself. I don't see a moral high ground anywhere.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Let me remind you that Trump used those loopholes extensively.

Stopping Americans from lobbying for foreign governments. Is that really it? His chief campaigner was a lobbyist for the Ukrainian president, for Pete's sake. That's such a minor issue, tackling it doesn't give you the right to wear the 'anti-establishment hat'.

And about the tax plan, the argument was not whether it was good or bad. The argument was that it was a very elitist tax policy. Are you claiming all people should just go to college instead of having kids? Because that in itself isn't too anti-establishment.

Banning foreign lobbying is extremely anti-establishment.

Trump did use loopholes, but if he doesn't follow through on his promise to close them, he'll probably lose PA, MI, WI, and OH in the next election. He needs the blue collar vote.

Oh yeah, banning foreign lobbying is extremely anti-establishment, perhaps. But it's only a minor piece of policy. It doesn't really weigh against the amount of establishment things he want to do. And really, do you think people will hold him accountable for that? The American tax code is so bloated and convoluted that no blue collar worker could ever check if he actually closed them. Those claims will vanish with the political wind.

[Uxupox]

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

The USA needs a Joker; its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

Don't need a joker when both of the main candidates are murderous buffoons.

[Valrifell]

The USA needs a Joker; its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

Don't need a joker when both of the main candidates are murderous buffoons.

Murderous?

[Vassenor]

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

The USA needs a Joker; its politics have been dominated for too long by the same corrupt oligarchs

>implying Trump isn't exactly the same sort of corrupt oligarch