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[Liriena]

The rumour mill is that Valls or Macron might also run.

Valls calls himself a "Clintonien", so ewwww.


*googles Macron*


Ewwwwww. An investment banker?

*looks into polling for the election*


Well, at least they're doing better than Hollande against bloody Le Pen.

[Valaran]

The rumour mill is that Valls or Macron might also run.

Valls calls himself a "Clintonien", so ewwww.


*googles Macron*


Ewwwwww. An investment banker?

Aside from the bad choice of phrase, not sure I see the issue.

You're seriously going to automatically denigrate someone because they worked in finance? That's like me shitting on someone because they're a farmer.

[Aelex]

I haven't been paying much attention to his presidency, but from here it looks like he tried to pull a Tony Blair 2.0 and gave up on staunchly socialist economics in favor of centrist, neoliberal-ish mediocrity sprinkled with some social progressivism. Would that be correct?

Basically? Yes. He betrayed the poor who elected him by trying to force laws that rolled-back most of the work-laws to the state where they were in the 19th/20th century.
Literally.

In the mean time, he's trying to go as "progressive" as possible and accuse anyone that disagree with him of being a bigot.
So yeah, unsurprisingly, the P.S has been failling in the poll while the far-right has been rising thanks to him and his actions.

[Valaran]

*looks into polling for the election*


Well, at least they're doing better than Hollande against bloody Le Pen.

Its considered highly doubtful that any socialist would even make it into the run-off with le Pen anyway (basically what Aelex was saying).

[Corrian]

Well, I think America making an investment banker a candidate right now would be a HUGE mistake.

[Aelex]

The rumour mill is that Valls or Macron might also run.

Valls is smarter than that. He will rather bid his time until 2022 than present himself prematurely while Hollande's stain on the P.S is still too vivace.
As for Macron, he's a fucking joke. He might present himself but, since everyone hates him, I will be surprised if he get a double digit in the elections.

[Liriena]

Ugh. Please tell me he's not going to try and get reelected? That there's a decent Socialist candidate out there?

Well, he's more than likely to try to present himself again simply because no one wants to go after him.
As for a decent candidate in the P.S, there is Valls who I support whole-heartedly. Not only is he the only sane guy left but he's quite popular (way more than the polls make it looks like) so he will probably get elected in 2022 when the right will have fucked up once more.
It's a common joke in France than to ask weither he's on the right of the left or the left of the right but he's really what our country need to stop the rise of the far-right and make the economy run again.

Interesting.

Well, here's hoping he usurps Hollande then, because I sure wouldn't like a Le Pen presidency.

Still, I gotta say, in an era of anti-establishment and populist candidates, I'm surprised a centrist "Clintonite" like Valls is that popular.

[Valaran]

The rumour mill is that Valls or Macron might also run.

Valls is smarter than that. He will rather bid his time until 2022 than present himself prematurely while Hollande's stain on the P.S is still too vivace.
As for Macron, he's a fucking joke. He might present himself but, since everyone hates him, I will be surprised if he get a double digit in the elections.

I reckon so as well, about Valls holding back.

[Liriena]

You're seriously going to automatically denigrate someone because they worked in finance? That's like me shitting on someone because they're a farmer.

I'm a Bernie supporter, remember?

I'm just kidding there, to be honest. I mean, were I a French voter, I'd probably look for something a bit more leftist and idealistic, but he doesn't sound too terrible.

[Aelex]

Interesting.

Well, here's hoping he usurps Hollande then, because I sure wouldn't like a Le Pen presidency.

Still, I gotta say, in an era of anti-establishment and populist candidates, I'm surprised a centrist "Clintonite" like Valls is that popular.

He's a Populist lite himself and appeal to the moderates of both the left and the right.

[Liriena]

I haven't been paying much attention to his presidency, but from here it looks like he tried to pull a Tony Blair 2.0 and gave up on staunchly socialist economics in favor of centrist, neoliberal-ish mediocrity sprinkled with some social progressivism. Would that be correct?

Basically? Yes. He betrayed the poor who elected him by trying to force laws that rolled-back most of the work-laws to the state where they were in the 19th/20th century.
Literally.

In the mean time, he's trying to go as "progressive" as possible and accuse anyone that disagree with him of being a bigot.
So yeah, unsurprisingly, the P.S has been failling in the poll while the far-right has been rising thanks to him and his actions.

So he ruined everything for everyone. Yeah, I totally see why he's so despised.

*sigh*

[Novsvacro]

So is it that you don't actively hate dark-skinned people and other minorities, but just you don't give a shit about them?

No, I just really hate political correctness.

But no, I do care about dark-skinned people and minorities, what about Trump makes you think he doesn't? The border wall? That's only to stop illegal immigrants. Black people? Trump actually cares more about black people than Hillary Clinton did. LGBT people? Pence won't get anything major done. Atheists such as myself? Business as usual.

And you must love demagoguery, right?

Trump himself is not going to destroy our Republic or whatever, but his brand of fear peddling and his legitimization of xenophobia may very well degrade our institutions.

[Aelex]

I'm a Bernie supporter, remember?

I'm just kidding there, to be honest. I mean, were I a French voter, I'd probably look for something a bit more leftist and idealistic, but he doesn't sound too terrible.

Well, there is Mélenchon who's basically an old-school tankie.
He has no chance on the presidential tho.

[Liriena]

Well, I think America making an investment banker a candidate right now would be a HUGE mistake.

Preach.

[Infected Mushroom]

Now that Trump has been elected, this is a clear showing that the US party machine and the establishment isn't all powerful. Americans should be proud.

[Liriena]

Interesting.

Well, here's hoping he usurps Hollande then, because I sure wouldn't like a Le Pen presidency.

Still, I gotta say, in an era of anti-establishment and populist candidates, I'm surprised a centrist "Clintonite" like Valls is that popular.

He's a Populist lite himself and appeal to the moderates of both the left and the right.

Ah.

[Liriena]

Now that Trump has been elected, this is a clear showing that the US party machine and the establishment isn't all powerful. Americans should be proud.

On the one hand... yes.
On the other... Trump has surrounded himself with establishment people. So you could call it a superficial victory for anti-establishment politics at best, and the con of the decade at worst.

[Corrian]

Now that Trump has been elected, this is a clear showing that the US party machine and the establishment isn't all powerful. Americans should be proud.

Well, I'm not.

If it was Bernie against the US party machine, that'd be one thing.

With Trump? No, I'm not happy. Not at all.

[Aelex]

So he ruined everything for everyone. Yeah, I totally see why he's so despised.

*sigh*

Well, yes. Worst is, even if I'm a social conservative myself, I'm quite baffled by how he managed to create conflicts in social issues where there were little to none.
To give an exemple, he almost managed to fuck up and fail to pass a law authorizing the marriage gay (an issue most of the population were either mildly in favor or simply didn't care) by radicalizing completely the debate that was quite smooth before and, in the end, because of his attitude, wasn't even able to pass all the parts of the law itself when they would probably have been accepted without much troubles had he not acted like such an imbecile from the start.

[Aelex]

Ah.

He's a centrist and run on a platform of left-wing nationalism and revitalisation of the economy. Honestly the best we can hope for.

[Liriena]

Now that Trump has been elected, this is a clear showing that the US party machine and the establishment isn't all powerful. Americans should be proud.

Well, I'm not.

If it was Bernie against the US party machine, that'd be one thing.

With Trump? No, I'm not happy. Not at all.

I mean, it's a bit like when the Joker kills off mob bosses in The Dark Knight. Sure, the establishment gets defeated... but the new guy is hardly improvement.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

How on earth could people call Donald Trump, a billionaire and a real estate tycoon, living in a penthouse on a building with his name on it in golden letters, anti-establishment? He is the establishment. Rich, white, living highly elevated above the poor, playing golf on his Scottish golf course. If that isn't elitist and a part of the establishment, I don't know what is.

[Liriena]

Ah.

He's a centrist and run on a platform of left-wing nationalism and revitalisation of the economy. Honestly the best we can hope for.

That does actually sound like just the right thing to win in the current political climate.

[Pirelin]

Ah.

He's a centrist and run on a platform of left-wing nationalism and revitalisation of the economy. Honestly the best we can hope for.

Left-wing nationalism? That's a thing? Wow, the European left sounds a hell of a lot better than the American left.

[Vassenor]

He's a centrist and run on a platform of left-wing nationalism and revitalisation of the economy. Honestly the best we can hope for.

That does actually sound like just the right thing to win in the current political climate.

As long as it keeps wingnuts like Le Pen out then I'm happy.