TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Greed and Death]

You inability to compromise on the mandate is to blame for this.

Anyways far better we let these govnerment programs fail than force people to buy insurance they do not want.

And to hell with how many people end up dead as a result.

I am not against helping people who want insurance get it, or expanding medicaid. But once it became about forcing me to buy insurance you lost my Florida vote. I may not have voted for the Demagogue but I have not intention of voting for the DNC while the mandate remands a plank of their platform.

[Corrian]

But it is literally not our problem.

Yes it is. Because the options are:

1) Take the refugees in, giving them one hell of a reason to like the USA.
2) Leave them there, both pissing them off and leaving them in a position where they are continually exposed to terrorist recruitment.



One of these leads to an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. That one should be avoided.

Nothing like making an endless loop of us creating terrorism, then fighting said terrorism, then in fighting said terrorism, creating new terrorism, repeat, repeat.

[Vassenor]

Yes it is. Because the options are:

1) Take the refugees in, giving them one hell of a reason to like the USA.
2) Leave them there, both pissing them off and leaving them in a position where they are continually exposed to terrorist recruitment.



One of these leads to an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. That one should be avoided.

Nothing like making an endless loop of us creating terrorism, then fighting said terrorism, then in fighting said terrorism, creating new terrorism, repeat, repeat.

Gotta keep the MIC funded somehow.

[Greed and Death]

You inability to compromise on the mandate is to blame for this.

Anyways far better we let these govnerment programs fail than force people to buy insurance they do not want.

yeah that is what made the difference.

Judging by the Libertarians in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that cost you those states. I would say so.

[Corrian]

if they repeal Obamacare we are ALL in a world of hurt. everyone who got insurance--not just the Medicaid people--got tested and treated for a variety of ailments. all those people who found out they are diabetic or who had a minor cancer that was taken care of will never get insurance again. my idiot brother in law voted for trump after he had a major heart attack. president trump isn't going to make sure that he will get insurance.

and, of course, one of the reason we HAD to have insurance reform was that the cost curve was so bad that it would bankrupt medicare in 10 years. get rid of (almost) universal coverage and that cost curve comes back and, oops, you have to send money to grandma so she doesnt die from not being able to pay her medical bills. there goes your retirement fund. but hey, at least we'll be free.

We have to protest like hell these 4 to 8 years.

[Greed and Death]

if they repeal Obamacare we are ALL in a world of hurt. everyone who got insurance--not just the Medicaid people--got tested and treated for a variety of ailments. all those people who found out they are diabetic or who had a minor cancer that was taken care of will never get insurance again. my idiot brother in law voted for trump after he had a major heart attack. president trump isn't going to make sure that he will get insurance.

and, of course, one of the reason we HAD to have insurance reform was that the cost curve was so bad that it would bankrupt medicare in 10 years. get rid of (almost) universal coverage and that cost curve comes back and, oops, you have to send money to grandma so she doesnt die from not being able to pay her medical bills. there goes your retirement fund. but hey, at least we'll be free.

We have to protest like hell these 4 to 8 years.

Trump would like a justification to make you non voting felons.

[Corrian]

So, I am hearing that Rex Tillerson is likely going to be Trump's pick for Sec of State

Yeah, he can definitely do better.

An oil CEO who has extensive business ties in Russia, and has been trying to work a half-trillion dollar deal there that's been blocked by the State Department being put in charge of the State Department? The one who has no known diplomatic experience? That guy?

I can't imagine how anyone could see this as a bad idea.

If you want some good news, Republicans might not let him. McCain and Graham are already not happy about this.

[Ashmoria]

yeah that is what made the difference.

Judging by the Libertarians in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that cost you those states. I would say so.

well they will all suffer just as much as I will from their stupid vote.

[Ashmoria]

if they repeal Obamacare we are ALL in a world of hurt. everyone who got insurance--not just the Medicaid people--got tested and treated for a variety of ailments. all those people who found out they are diabetic or who had a minor cancer that was taken care of will never get insurance again. my idiot brother in law voted for trump after he had a major heart attack. president trump isn't going to make sure that he will get insurance.

and, of course, one of the reason we HAD to have insurance reform was that the cost curve was so bad that it would bankrupt medicare in 10 years. get rid of (almost) universal coverage and that cost curve comes back and, oops, you have to send money to grandma so she doesnt die from not being able to pay her medical bills. there goes your retirement fund. but hey, at least we'll be free.

We have to protest like hell these 4 to 8 years.

aye

we need to keep people aware of the cost of letting the republicans have their way.

[Corrian]

aye

we need to keep people aware of the cost of letting the republicans have their way.

From the looks of it, there is a group of Veterans that are interested in protesting a lot now. The ones that went to Standing Rock. Its sad, but when there is suddenly the threat of Veterans being abused by the police, people start paying attention. Apparently that has made them state they will be going around everywhere now. I think its going to be a very interesting 4 years.

[Escanthea]

So, is this the place where we trumppost? If not, just point me the right way and I'll be off.

RWDT is that way friendo

Which way, exactly?

[Ashmoria]

aye

we need to keep people aware of the cost of letting the republicans have their way.

From the looks of it, there is a group of Veterans that are interested in protesting a lot now. The ones that went to Standing Rock. Its sad, but when there is suddenly the threat of Veterans being abused by the police, people start paying attention. Apparently that has made them state they will be going around everywhere now. I think its going to be a very interesting 4 years.

I hope so.

[Urban Blight Garden]

We have to protest like hell these 4 to 8 years.

aye

we need to keep people aware of the cost of letting the republicans have their way.

The economic crash in 2008 is high on that list. So is the Saddam has WMDs lie which has gotten us mired in Iraq to the tune of trillions wasted not to mention the death and destruction. How can these people forget these things?

[Ashmoria]

aye

we need to keep people aware of the cost of letting the republicans have their way.

The economic crash in 2008 is high on that list. So is the Saddam has WMDs lie which has gotten us mired in Iraq to the tune of trillions wasted not to mention the death and destruction. How can these people forget these things?

they have decided that W is a RINO and that trump is the all new drain-the-swamp man who is looking out for them.

sad.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

McCain joins with Democrats to call for Russian hacking investigation.

This is picking up steam

[Vassenor]

We have to protest like hell these 4 to 8 years.

Trump would like a justification to make you non voting felons.

First Amendment says Hi.

[Ifreann]

Trump would like a justification to make you non voting felons.

First Amendment says Hi.

Until Trump appoints himself to the Supreme Court.

[Sanctissima]

But it is literally not our problem.

Yes it is. Because the options are:

1) Take the refugees in, giving them one hell of a reason to like the USA.
2) Leave them there, both pissing them off and leaving them in a position where they are continually exposed to terrorist recruitment.



One of these leads to an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. That one should be avoided.

Honestly, if your argument is "take them in because it's the right thing to do", then just say that instead of throwing in this BS.

Not taking them in quite literally has no negative effects upon the US, because there's fuck-all the refugees can do about it. If they're pissed, it doesn't matter, because very few of them have the means to make it over here either way. Taking them in doesn't necessarily equate with them actually liking the US, and there's already more Americans than there are jobs to go around, meaning that adding more people to the equation would be a drain on the economy.

And nevermind the fact that what you're advocating is a hypothetically endless loop of the US accepting refugees because god forbid any of them become terrorists.

No, there's literally no advantage to taking in refugees aside from humanitarian brownie points. Your argument is one of morality, don't try to paint it otherwise.

[Insaeldor]

Be think about this for awhile, I myself have been a life long democrate and have always been supportive of the democratic candidates put for my the party. However I've also been insanely displeased with the path the party has taken. It harsh shift towards a focus in Identity politics has alienated a large number of former voters particularly blue collar and union workers and have more or less loss touch with why they garnered so much respect in the working class areas of America, it's the same reason they were able to hold the House or almost 40 years continuously and why they had two 8 year presidents in the last 2 decades. I feel they're drifting away from why I used to vote for them and with the growing ultra-progressive movement and the collage activist wing of the party gaining internal recognition I think I'm bro g pushed out of my old party.

I think Donald Trump has either saved the Femocrats from assured self imposed implosion or has has sensed its death. After all Donald Trump took aspects of democratic leaning economic theory and ran that all the way to the whitehouse. Hopefully we can see a new guard like that of Tim Ryan taking power within the next few years, while Nancy Palosi has retained her leadership position from Ryan she doesn't have much of a political life span ahead of her. Once we can purge the old guard in favor of more economically minded New Democrats I think we can start to win back a lot of our lost ground and thanks to Donald trump breaking the political back of our party with his demolition of the Blue Wall I think it puts things back into perspective us.


That said he m also scared the same thing will happen but with the Warrenite and college activist segment of the party in which case will most likely be relegated into permanent minority statues in the congress until they work there way out. I mean when people associate you more with transgender bathrooms than job creation as a lot of people did in the important battle ground states you don't usually win elections.

So Donald has either saved the Democratic Party by giving us all a wake up call or has opened the floodgates for our worst aspects to come in and take over. Only time will tell which one is true.

[Greed and Death]

Judging by the Libertarians in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that cost you those states. I would say so.

well they will all suffer just as much as I will from their stupid vote.

That is the type of attitude that got you Trump to begin with and can easily give him 8 years. That if they disagree with me they must be stupid attitude, that is the type of attitude that will cost your side election after election.

The mandate has always been unpopular from the time the law was debated, to when the was past, to when the mandate went into effect, and to now. I understand passing it we are a Democratic Republic sometimes leaders need to do unpopular things because sometimes once unpopular provisions go into effect. But that has not happened here the mandate remains unpopular it is time for the Democracy part of the equation to trump the Republic part of the equation. Alternatives to the mandate must be created if any provisions of the ACA are to be saved. Alas, it might be too late to save the ACA.

The hubris of the Democratic party thinking could ignore the will of the people indefinitely on this matter. Judging that majority who wanted the mandate removed as nothing but stupid and needing the Democratic party to think for them. If you judge a group of people as stupid, do not be surprised if they vote in a manner you deem to be stupid.

[Greed and Death]

Trump would like a justification to make you non voting felons.

First Amendment says Hi.

There are numerous felonies we can find not related to speech. Block a road, I think that is kidnapping of those motorist.

Also first Amendment does not protect the right to carry crack and look what Trump's new Federal riot control officers just happen to find in all you hippie's pockets bags of crack.

See y'all hippies in 10-15.

[Corrian]

Be think about this for awhile, I myself have been a life long democrate and have always been supportive of the democratic candidates put for my the party. However I've also been insanely displeased with the path the party has taken. It harsh shift towards a focus in Identity politics has alienated a large number of former voters particularly blue collar and union workers and have more or less loss touch with why they garnered so much respect in the working class areas of America, it's the same reason they were able to hold the House or almost 40 years continuously and why they had two 8 year presidents in the last 2 decades. I feel they're drifting away from why I used to vote for them and with the growing ultra-progressive movement and the collage activist wing of the party gaining internal recognition I think I'm bro g pushed out of my old party.

I think Donald Trump has either saved the Femocrats from assured self imposed implosion or has has sensed its death. After all Donald Trump took aspects of democratic leaning economic theory and ran that all the way to the whitehouse. Hopefully we can see a new guard like that of Tim Ryan taking power within the next few years, while Nancy Palosi has retained her leadership position from Ryan she doesn't have much of a political life span ahead of her. Once we can purge the old guard in favor of more economically minded New Democrats I think we can start to win back a lot of our lost ground and thanks to Donald trump breaking the political back of our party with his demolition of the Blue Wall I think it puts things back into perspective us.


That said he m also scared the same thing will happen but with the Warrenite and college activist segment of the party in which case will most likely be relegated into permanent minority statues in the congress until they work there way out. I mean when people associate you more with transgender bathrooms than job creation as a lot of people did in the important battle ground states you don't usually win elections.

So Donald has either saved the Democratic Party by giving us all a wake up call or has opened the floodgates for our worst aspects to come in and take over. Only time will tell which one is true.

Yeah, even though I'm not at all looking forward to suffering through the Trump years, it might be a good thing for the Democrats to get their shit together.

[Urban Blight Garden]

First Amendment says Hi.

Until Trump appoints himself to the Supreme Court.

Has anyone without a law degree ever been appointed to the Supreme Court?

[Ashmoria]

well they will all suffer just as much as I will from their stupid vote.

That is the type of attitude that got you Trump to begin with and can easily give him 8 years. That if they disagree with me they must be stupid attitude, that is the type of attitude that will cost your side election after election.

The mandate has always been unpopular from the time the law was debated, to when the was past, to when the mandate went into effect, and to now. I understand passing it we are a Democratic Republic sometimes leaders need to do unpopular things because sometimes once unpopular provisions go into effect. But that has not happened here the mandate remains unpopular it is time for the Democracy part of the equation to trump the Republic part of the equation. Alternatives to the mandate must be created if any provisions of the ACA are to be saved. Alas, it might be too late to save the ACA.

The hubris of the Democratic party thinking could ignore the will of the people indefinitely on this matter. Judging that majority who wanted the mandate removed as nothing but stupid and needing the Democratic party to think for them. If you judge a group of people as stupid, do not be surprised if they vote in a manner you deem to be stupid.

I wouldn't be surprised either. anyone stupid enough to vote against their own obvious self interest because they don't like one very necessary part of a law is stupid enough to keep voting that way after they have lost all access to healthcare outside the emergency room.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Nothing to see here.