TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Corrian]

Apparently.

So far all I have seen are sensationalist accusations that Trump is a puppet placed in the White House by the Russians.

Unless you are the kind of person who would be content living in a Russian puppet state or whatever it is the claim logically ends up becoming, I don't think "not thinking that this is going to be the greatest presidency ever" really sums up the recent discussion here.

There was some intelligent debate regarding trade with China a few pages back, but you all decided it wasn't exciting enough, apparently.

I tend to ignore most of the stuff in these threads because I find it annoying. I'm about as much of a fan of the hyperbole as you are. In other words, I'm not. But I'm also certainly not happy with some of the things that seem to be apparent.

[Philjia]

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Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaiZH67xKs

[Ifreann]

Slightly random aside, did Trump always include his middle initial, or did he start doing that when he decided to run for president?

[Liriena]

Were I an honest nationalist, I would probably be denouncing Trump and his campaign as traitors right now.

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Seriously, how stupid is Trump?

Yeah, the United States arming Taiwan while simultaneously not recognizing it is shady as hell, but that's realpolitik. If Trump can't handle that, he should not have run for president of the United States, of all countries.

[Galloism]

Were I an honest nationalist, I would probably be denouncing Trump and his campaign as traitors right now.

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Seriously, how stupid is Trump?

Yeah, the United States arming Taiwan while simultaneously not recognizing it is shady as hell, but that's realpolitik. If Trump can't handle that, he should not have run for president of the United States, of all countries.

Seriously, if I was in his shoes right now, I'd probably have some kind of top diplomatic advisor permanently camped in my tower so I could talk to them at any time about all this shit.

I don't understand it, and I'm really damn fucking certain he doesn't either.

[Greed and Death]

I came across an interesting Article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 8d280e3522

It deals with how the evangelicals can vote for Trump.
The basic premise was that when you treat the accommodation in Hobby Lobby like it was the worst supreme court decision of our time, try to force the little sisters of the poor to provide contraception, and run someone off from their job for donating to a political cause tied to his religion you may find the evangelicals and the religious are against you.
And will hold their nose and vote for whoever is running to beat you.

[Hurdergaryp]

Were I an honest nationalist, I would probably be denouncing Trump and his campaign as traitors right now.


Seriously, how stupid is Trump?

Yeah, the United States arming Taiwan while simultaneously not recognizing it is shady as hell, but that's realpolitik. If Trump can't handle that, he should not have run for president of the United States, of all countries.

Seriously, if I was in his shoes right now, I'd probably have some kind of top diplomatic advisor permanently camped in my tower so I could talk to them at any time about all this shit.

I don't understand it, and I'm really damn fucking certain he doesn't either.

Blame Nixon for his diplomatic prowess decades earlier.

[Corrian]

I came across an interesting Article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 8d280e3522

It deals with how the evangelicals can vote for Trump.
The basic premise was that when you treat the accommodation in Hobby Lobby like it was the worst supreme court decision of our time, try to force the little sisters of the poor to provide contraception, and run someone off from their job for donating to a political cause tied to his religion you may find the evangelicals and the religious are against you.
And will hold their nose and vote for whoever is running to beat you.

They can also vote for him because they're the hypocrites we always knew they were.

[Ashmoria]

I came across an interesting Article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 8d280e3522

It deals with how the evangelicals can vote for Trump.
The basic premise was that when you treat the accommodation in Hobby Lobby like it was the worst supreme court decision of our time, try to force the little sisters of the poor to provide contraception, and run someone off from their job for donating to a political cause tied to his religion you may find the evangelicals and the religious are against you.
And will hold their nose and vote for whoever is running to beat you.

yeah

not that it was trump but it was a masterful feat to convince people that not liking to do yucky things like bake cakes for gay weddings interferes with their religious freedom.

too bad liberal don't have that kind of power.

[Greed and Death]

I came across an interesting Article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 8d280e3522

It deals with how the evangelicals can vote for Trump.
The basic premise was that when you treat the accommodation in Hobby Lobby like it was the worst supreme court decision of our time, try to force the little sisters of the poor to provide contraception, and run someone off from their job for donating to a political cause tied to his religion you may find the evangelicals and the religious are against you.
And will hold their nose and vote for whoever is running to beat you.

yeah

not that it was trump but it was a masterful feat to convince people that not liking to do yucky things like bake cakes for gay weddings interferes with their religious freedom.

too bad liberal don't have that kind of power.

I suppose that's the attitude that cost you the election.

[Galloism]

yeah

not that it was trump but it was a masterful feat to convince people that not liking to do yucky things like bake cakes for gay weddings interferes with their religious freedom.

too bad liberal don't have that kind of power.

I suppose that's the attitude that cost you the election.

I'll be honest and say that, as a religious person, I don't get it.

I've done dozens of tax returns for gay people who are married, just as I do them for straight people who are married. It's a job - I'm not endorsing their choice, just filling interpreting how that affects their position in the tax code.

I fill out tax returns for adulterers too. It's no big thing.

[Ifreann]

I suppose that's the attitude that cost you the election.

I'll be honest and say that, as a religious person, I don't get it.

I've done dozens of tax returns for gay people who are married, just as I do them for straight people who are married. It's a job - I'm not endorsing their choice, just filling interpreting how that affects their position in the tax code.

I fill out tax returns for adulterers too. It's no big thing.

But what if you catch gay adultery from them and start cheating on your wife with other men?!

[MERIZoC]

The WaPo article didn't provide anything of substance, from what I saw when I read it yesterday. All it claims is that Russia had a favorite in the election, not that they tampered with ballots. Nothing in the election has been undermined by this.

[Greed and Death]

I came across an interesting Article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 8d280e3522

It deals with how the evangelicals can vote for Trump.
The basic premise was that when you treat the accommodation in Hobby Lobby like it was the worst supreme court decision of our time, try to force the little sisters of the poor to provide contraception, and run someone off from their job for donating to a political cause tied to his religion you may find the evangelicals and the religious are against you.
And will hold their nose and vote for whoever is running to beat you.

They can also vote for him because they're the hypocrites we always knew they were.

I do not know. Yes Christianity requires you help the poor I do not think it necessarily requires the govnerment be the tool for helping the poor. In their mind they feel where the govnerment fails individual effort may prevail.

And I am an atheist I can see their view. Buying contraception is a sin, and buying insurance that provides contraception for others is a sin. When you make a law requiring employers buy that for their employees do not be surprised when they fight you tooth and nail.

[Galloism]

They can also vote for him because they're the hypocrites we always knew they were.

I do not know. Yes Christianity requires you help the poor I do not think it necessarily requires the govnerment be the tool for helping the poor. In their mind they feel where the govnerment fails individual effort may prevail.

And I am an atheist I can see their view. Buying contraception is a sin, and buying insurance that provides contraception for others is a sin. When you make a law requiring employers buy that for their employees do not be surprised when they fight you tooth and nail.

It's part of a compensation package. It's no different than when you pay them in cash and they go spend most of it on hookers and blow, and waste the rest.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

They can also vote for him because they're the hypocrites we always knew they were.

I do not know. Yes Christianity requires you help the poor I do not think it necessarily requires the govnerment be the tool for helping the poor. In their mind they feel where the govnerment fails individual effort may prevail.

And I am an atheist I can see their view. Buying contraception is a sin, and buying insurance that provides contraception for others is a sin. When you make a law requiring employers buy that for their employees do not be surprised when they fight you tooth and nail.

I don't think BUYING the stuff is considered sinful...just using it.

[Hurdergaryp]

[Ifreann]

I do not know. Yes Christianity requires you help the poor I do not think it necessarily requires the govnerment be the tool for helping the poor. In their mind they feel where the govnerment fails individual effort may prevail.

And I am an atheist I can see their view. Buying contraception is a sin, and buying insurance that provides contraception for others is a sin. When you make a law requiring employers buy that for their employees do not be surprised when they fight you tooth and nail.

I don't think BUYING the stuff is considered sinful...just using it.

Anything can be considered sinful if they want to impose their religious values on other people.

[Greed and Death]

I suppose that's the attitude that cost you the election.

I'll be honest and say that, as a religious person, I don't get it.

I've done dozens of tax returns for gay people who are married, just as I do them for straight people who are married. It's a job - I'm not endorsing their choice, just filling interpreting how that affects their position in the tax code.

I fill out tax returns for adulterers too. It's no big thing.

Setting aside the absurdity of that lawsuit, seriously think about how many ways a passive aggressive baker could fuck up your cake.

Strangely as an atheist I get it. You do not go to a baker for a plain cake you got to a baker for a custom cake its a work of art its speech. You want a plain cake you go to Walmart. Its the same reason bands get upset when Presidential candidates they dislike use their songs. And yes some artist who dislike Trump do not care if he uses their songs (largely because they understand they sold a license to the venue).

This is where I think there was room the flesh out a compromise either at either at the court level, via executive action (Governors in this case), or legislative action. Yes A baker should and could be forced to provide a plain cake however the decorations, the art of it , the speech of it I believe they should be free to decline.

[MERIZoC]

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I don't really see how this holds weight given that this is very much not a perfected democracy, and our election was distinctly undemocratic.

[Greed and Death]

I do not know. Yes Christianity requires you help the poor I do not think it necessarily requires the govnerment be the tool for helping the poor. In their mind they feel where the govnerment fails individual effort may prevail.

And I am an atheist I can see their view. Buying contraception is a sin, and buying insurance that provides contraception for others is a sin. When you make a law requiring employers buy that for their employees do not be surprised when they fight you tooth and nail.

I don't think BUYING the stuff is considered sinful...just using it.

That's your opinion on what is sin, which differs from what evangelicals think.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

I don't think BUYING the stuff is considered sinful...just using it.

That's your opinion on what is sin, which differs from what evangelicals think.

That's not what I meant. I thought the evangelicals believed that just using it was sinful...I'm all for contraceptives.

[Hurdergaryp]

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I don't really see how this holds weight given that this is very much not a perfected democracy, and our election was distinctly undemocratic.

And yet here we are.

[MERIZoC]

I don't really see how this holds weight given that this is very much not a perfected democracy, and our election was distinctly undemocratic.

And yet here we are.

Yes, but it's not like the quote has any relevance to our current situation, other than the fact that one can draw a lazy comparison since the quote mentions an egotistic moron and we too have an egotistic moron.

[Uiiop]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/exxons-rex- ... 1481318464
I shouldn't be this surprised but yet....