TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Mefpan]

So I find it interesting how the CIA has proof of Russia tampering with the election (They haven't shared the info yet, but they have it), yet Trump's supporters are still denying it...

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

[Vassenor]

Trump's supporters inhabit an alternate reality. Facts cannot penetrate it. Only the words of Trump get in, and only shit memes come out.

And I would be real interested in seeing what their proof is, seeing as how most of the major leaks were accomplished through basic phishing scams.

In any case, it's intriguing how offended everyone becomes at the thought that a foreign nation exposed major corruption within our political system and not at the thought that it might have actually fucking taken a foreign government's snooping around to actually see this stuff brought to day, that it was not an insider with a conscience or a concerned citizen.

It's also intriguing how people seem to be OK with foreign governments trying to swing an election... as long as it's being swung the way they want.

[Valrifell]

So I find it interesting how the CIA has proof of Russia tampering with the election (They haven't shared the info yet, but they have it), yet Trump's supporters are still denying it...

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

[Ashmoria]

And he's going to be Secretary of Defense. Isn't that glorious?

Flynn isn't going to be SECDEF that's Mattis, Flynn is going to be the National Security Adviser

and national security advisor doesn't have to be confirmed by the senate.

[Ifreann]

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

This is joke, yes?

[Mefpan]

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

Only if it delays the release of the next iPhone :V

[Valrifell]

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

This is joke, yes?

Hyperbole if anything.

Terribly great exaggeration, really.

[Ashmoria]

How's it going for you Americans, then?

I am so happy now that America is great again.

[Venerable Bede]

He was asking about the negative effects of a trade war, not the positive ones.

I, too, enjoy dramatic price increases of manufactured goods.

Yes, well that comes with paying workers a decent wage.

[Vassenor]

So I find it interesting how the CIA has proof of Russia tampering with the election (They haven't shared the info yet, but they have it), yet Trump's supporters are still denying it...

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

So when did Hillary call for war?

[Valrifell]

I, too, enjoy dramatic price increases of manufactured goods.

Yes, well that comes with paying workers a decent wage.

No, that comes with tariffs on aforementioned goods or an effect of some other trade war shenanigan. You're not going to get those manufacturers to move back to the US through a trade war, simply because the US population would practically riot before something like that could happen. Sure, everyone is going to say "I'd support higher prices if it means more American jobs" but in practice? No.

Plus, the United States' while certainly their largest market, is not their only market. Those businesses are also still likely going to turn some sort of profit greater than if they just moved back as well.

[Hurdergaryp]

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

This is joke, yes?

Since we find ourselves in the hallowed realms of NationStates General, it can be concluded that there is no reason to assume that it was meant as a joke. No reason at all.

[The East Marches]

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

You know what would be political suicide in this climate? Starting a war against a foreign power. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, would ever let that happen.

Not really, Obama got away with that pretty well multiple times. The American public doesn't mind a good war as long as its just a quick toppling. :^)

[Venerable Bede]

Yes, well that comes with paying workers a decent wage.

No, that comes with tariffs on aforementioned goods or an effect of some other trade war shenanigan. You're not going to get those manufacturers to move back to the US through a trade war, simply because the US population would practically riot before something like that could happen. Sure, everyone is going to say "I'd support higher prices if it means more American jobs" but in practice? No.

Plus, the United States' while certainly their largest market, is not their only market. Those businesses are also still likely going to turn some sort of profit greater than if they just moved back as well.

Plenty of things used to be made in America, people got by just fine.

[Mefpan]

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

So when did Hillary call for war?

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

CIA has proof that Russia is not actually interested in the risk of a shooting war with the United States of America.

Gasp.

So when did Hillary call for war?

Probably in reference to the plans for a no-fly zone over Syria, which would have indeed been a clusterfuck.

And I would be real interested in seeing what their proof is, seeing as how most of the major leaks were accomplished through basic phishing scams.

In any case, it's intriguing how offended everyone becomes at the thought that a foreign nation exposed major corruption within our political system and not at the thought that it might have actually fucking taken a foreign government's snooping around to actually see this stuff brought to day, that it was not an insider with a conscience or a concerned citizen.

It's also intriguing how people seem to be OK with foreign governments trying to swing an election... as long as it's being swung the way they want.

You are claiming that these revelations swung the election. One side being revealed as corrupt, allegedly by a foreign power.

Do you honestly think that I should wish these sort of things go unnoticed, then?

I'm not happy our politicians are so incompetent as to be vulnerable to basic fucking phishing scams, no, I really am not.
Am I happy we get to know more about how the political machine works behind closed doors? Yes!

Your argument really just boils down to: "Darn, I wish all that corruption hadn't been exposed!"
That's what's intriguing.

If there had been some RNC leak or leak of some hypothetical secret Trump speech and something juicy came out of it I bet you'd be singing a different song.
If it really does somehow get proven the Russians did this shit I'll just be pissed nobody in this country cared enough to do it themselves.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, that comes with tariffs on aforementioned goods or an effect of some other trade war shenanigan. You're not going to get those manufacturers to move back to the US through a trade war, simply because the US population would practically riot before something like that could happen. Sure, everyone is going to say "I'd support higher prices if it means more American jobs" but in practice? No.

Plus, the United States' while certainly their largest market, is not their only market. Those businesses are also still likely going to turn some sort of profit greater than if they just moved back as well.

Plenty of things used to be made in America, people got by just fine.

Look, I'm free trade skeptical, and even I get that the game has seriously changed since then. You can't just fall back on economic approaches from decades ago. You can revisit what worked, but you also have to be able to explain how it would be practical to apply today.

[Ifreann]

So when did Hillary call for war?

Probably in reference to the plans for a no-fly zone over Syria, which would have indeed been a clusterfuck.

It's also intriguing how people seem to be OK with foreign governments trying to swing an election... as long as it's being swung the way they want.

You are claiming that these revelations swung the election. One side being revealed as corrupt, allegedly by a foreign power.

Do you honestly think that I should wish these sort of things go unnoticed, then?

I'm not happy our politicians are so incompetent as to be vulnerable to basic fucking phishing scams, no, I really am not.
Am I happy we get to know more about how the political machine works behind closed doors? Yes!

Your argument really just boils down to: "Darn, I wish all that corruption hadn't been exposed!"
That's what's intriguing.

"All that corruption" isn't really serious at all, though. It just looked bad, and gave Trump something to keep bringing up. Whereas Russia interfering in your elections to get Trump in the White House is pretty serious shit, especially since Trump is going to the White House.

[Vassenor]

So when did Hillary call for war?

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

I asked for when she actually called for war. Not "well if you squint at this through a paper bag under the first light of midsummer's day it looks a bit like she might have called for war".

[Hurdergaryp]

"All that corruption" isn't really serious at all, though. It just looked bad, and gave Trump something to keep bringing up. Whereas Russia interfering in your elections to get Trump in the White House is pretty serious shit, especially since Trump is going to the White House.

Fortunately there is not a single reason to assume that Trump has dabbled in corruption himself, so that's a small blessing.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

Probably in reference to the plans for a no-fly zone over Syria, which would have indeed been a clusterfuck.



You are claiming that these revelations swung the election. One side being revealed as corrupt, allegedly by a foreign power.

Do you honestly think that I should wish these sort of things go unnoticed, then?

I'm not happy our politicians are so incompetent as to be vulnerable to basic fucking phishing scams, no, I really am not.
Am I happy we get to know more about how the political machine works behind closed doors? Yes!

Your argument really just boils down to: "Darn, I wish all that corruption hadn't been exposed!"
That's what's intriguing.

"All that corruption" isn't really serious at all, though. It just looked bad, and gave Trump something to keep bringing up. Whereas Russia interfering in your elections to get Trump in the White House is pretty serious shit, especially since Trump is going to the White House.

Okay, so you're saying what was revealed wasn't actually a big deal.
And then you claim it was a big deal and put Trump in the White House.

????

And again, until I'm told what this proof is, I'm continuing to write this off "that big meanie Putin did it!" as further political posturing.

Almost anybody could set up a halfway convincing email for a phishing scam.
Yet we're talking about this stuff like it's some sort of high-tech Hollywood cyberwarfare and it's obviously being geared to idiots who don't know how 'hacking' actually works.

[Gauthier]

So when did Hillary call for war?

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

I had no idea "reconciliatory" meant rubbing lotion on Putin's chest and letting Russia have its pick of former satellites as NATO is gutted.

[The East Marches]

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

I had no idea "reconciliatory" meant rubbing lotion on Putin's chest and letting Russia have its pick of former satellites as NATO is gutted.

I had no idea we alone decided what happened in NATO. Sounds like those countries should invest in their own defense :^)

[Mefpan]

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

I asked for when she actually called for war. Not "well if you squint at this through a paper bag under the first light of midsummer's day it looks a bit like she might have called for war".

If you were to stop twisting my fucking words in my mouth for your own ideological shoulder-patting for even a nanosecond, you'd see that I never said she was interested in a fucking shooting war with Russia, and recognize that my worries lie with her desire for an obsession with a No-Fly-Zone over Syria as part of her Middle Eastern pet project that'd put American pilots into conflict with Russian pilots and requires one side to either back off or create a conflict that has the potential to fucking escalate because one side might take it too far in an attempt to get the other to back off.

But please, do go on.

I'm not interested in having Russia and America no-fly-zone each other over Syria in a game of high altitude chicken.

Too easy for one dumb fuck to give an order that'll escalate the problem there - I prefer a more reconciliatory foreign policy, because holy hell relations between Russia and the West have gone down the drain in recent years.

I had no idea "reconciliatory" meant rubbing lotion on Putin's chest and letting Russia have its pick of former satellites as NATO is gutted.

NATO has not yet imploded. And holy hell, I do hope we Europeans get our shit together and rearrange our militaries into something more than a roadblock meant to delay enemies until the Americans come in to save the day.

[Hurdergaryp]

I had no idea "reconciliatory" meant rubbing lotion on Putin's chest and letting Russia have its pick of former satellites as NATO is gutted.

I had no idea we alone decided what happened in NATO. Sounds like those countries should invest in their own defense :^)

Which is actually exactly what the EU is planning to do, for these are interesting times.