TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Valaran]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-wall-mexican-border-fence-segments/
So Trump admits his wall will have a lot of fence and has lowered his promises of deporting 11 million people to 2 or at most 3 million.

lol


Also, the 2-3 million number seems arbitrary as fuck (I'm sure that is great news to the lucky few million people, though).

[Lady Scylla]

Substitute teacher caught on audio telling students their parents will be deported.

The teacher has since been let go but the audio is of him telling kids their parents will be deported, and after being asked how they'd find them, he said the school had the resources to notify authorities.

[Valaran]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-wall-mexican-border-fence-segments/
So Trump admits his wall will have a lot of fence and has lowered his promises of deporting 11 million people to 2 or at most 3 million.

And there's the classic Trump swindle in action.

"Latest: Trump only drains one pond!"

[Lady Scylla]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-wall-mexican-border-fence-segments/
So Trump admits his wall will have a lot of fence and has lowered his promises of deporting 11 million people to 2 or at most 3 million.

And there's the classic Trump swindle in action.

The demagogue now has to play populism to a bitterly divided country.

[Flarbinia]

What about being a federal republic makes it wrong to choose our head of state via a popular vote? Many federalized countries do just that.

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

No. It should not. Deciding who gets to be our next president by popular vote is not how things are done in America. While you may not agree with the results of an election, it is one of those times where you have to play the cards you are dealt. The people who are saying "we should switch to the popular vote because Trump did not win the popular vote and still won" are hypocrites for complaining about how Trump won't concede the election if he lost and then refusing to accept the results of that election.

[Vassenor]

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

No. It should not. Deciding who gets to be our next president by popular vote is not how things are done in America. While you may not agree with the results of an election, it is one of those times where you have to play the cards you are dealt. The people who are saying "we should switch to the popular vote because Trump did not win the popular vote and still won" are hypocrites for complaining about how Trump won't concede the election if he lost and then refusing to accept the results of that election.

>implying everyone saying X also said Y

Also nice work on the Appeal to Tradition. "Because this is how we've always done things" is not a logically sound argument.

Also are you still trying to ignore the fact that criticism of the EC did not magically appear as soon as this election concluded?

[Sane Outcasts]

And there's the classic Trump swindle in action.

The demagogue now has to play populism to a bitterly divided country.

He has been making the pivot from fire-breathing populist to calm, respectful moderate very smoothly.

I wonder if his supporters will do the same or just end up more disillusioned.

[Lady Scylla]

No. It should not. Deciding who gets to be our next president by popular vote is not how things are done in America. While you may not agree with the results of an election, it is one of those times where you have to play the cards you are dealt. The people who are saying "we should switch to the popular vote because Trump did not win the popular vote and still won" are hypocrites for complaining about how Trump won't concede the election if he lost and then refusing to accept the results of that election.

>implying everyone saying X also said Y

Also nice work on the Appeal to Tradition. "Because this is how we've always done things" is not a logically sound argument.

Also are you still trying to ignore the fact that criticism of the EC did not magically appear as soon as this election concluded?

And running down the numbers.

55.6% of eligible voters voted. That's 126,622,225 people.

60,034,250 voted for Trump.

60,319,493 voted for Hillary.

4,099,040 voted for Johnson

1,224,066 voted for Stein

Trump got 279 EC, Hillary got 228 EC. There was no silent majority, half voted for Hillary, Half for Trump. Roughly 1/4 of the country's eligible voters via EC elected our President.

It needs reform.

[Gauthier]

The demagogue now has to play populism to a bitterly divided country.

He has been making the pivot from fire-breathing populist to calm, respectful moderate very smoothly.

I wonder if his supporters will do the same or just end up more disillusioned.

Alt-righters and white supremacists moderating? Gooooooooood luck!

[Arlenton]

And with the encouragement to accept feelings over thinking, evidence and logic what we have are blue collar workers that are going to be disappointed then pissed when their manufacturing jobs of yore aren't coming back to them now while the rest of the country collapses into alt-right dystopia for anyone who isn't white cis-het male.

He can't destroy the USA in two years. All the awful crap he's gonna pass is probably gonna make 2018 a packed democratic majority in congress.

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all this decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive Senate seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

[Lady Scylla]

He can't destroy the USA in two years. All the awful crap he's gonna pass is probably gonna make 2018 a packed democratic majority in congress.

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all thsi decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

50/50 wouldnt be bad.

[Arlenton]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-wall-mexican-border-fence-segments/
So Trump admits his wall will have a lot of fence and has lowered his promises of deporting 11 million people to 2 or at most 3 million.

Thank God... Hopefully he governs like a normal Republican.

[Narintia]

>implying everyone saying X also said Y

Also nice work on the Appeal to Tradition. "Because this is how we've always done things" is not a logically sound argument.

Also are you still trying to ignore the fact that criticism of the EC did not magically appear as soon as this election concluded?

And running down the numbers.

55.6% of eligible voters voted. That's 126,622,225 people.

60,034,250 voted for Trump.

60,319,493 voted for Hillary.

4,099,040 voted for Johnson

1,224,066 voted for Stein

Trump got 279 EC, Hillary got 228 EC. There was no silent majority, half voted for Hillary, Half for Trump. Roughly 1/4 of the country's eligible voters via EC elected our President.

It needs reform.

No, it does not. While the EC might have elcted trump, if only the half voted, then the other half of eligible voters have no right to complain about who becomes their president. There's a trend, the more people voting in a election, the more likely it will be a democrat victory.
For example, look at Wisconsin. The republican base stayed consistent at about 1.41 million, while the Democrat base fluctuated from 1.65 million in 2008 to 1.38 million in 2016.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So... If the other federalized countries were taking a long walk off a short pier, the US should as well?

No. It should not. 1) Deciding who gets to be our next president by popular vote is not how things are done in America. While you may not agree with the results of an election, it is one of those times where you have to play the cards you are dealt. 2) The people who are saying "we should switch to the popular vote because Trump did not win the popular vote and still won" are hypocrites for complaining about how 3) Trump won't concede the election if he lost and then refusing to accept the results of that election.

1) Not yet, at least. That things are done a certain way in the present is no argument for it staying that way.
2) There is an enormous difference between the people of the US not liking a president-elect because he lost the popular vote, and a presidential candidate not accepting the outcome because he believes the elections were rigged. The two cannot be compared, and should not be compared so lightly. The one is simple disagreement, as can be shown through protests. The other is a dangerous misuse of a position. Also, people have been opposed to the electoral college for years now. Don't act like this is something new.
3) Again, Trump not accepting the elections is a dangerous act. He has a formal obligation to comply with them, and to concede defeat. The protesters have no other obligation that to follow the law, which they are doing even if they protest. The riots are indefensible.

And I'd like to add that following the popular vote is not a worse system. If anything, it leads to higher voter satisfaction.

[Arlenton]

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all thsi decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

50/50 wouldnt be bad.

Mike Pence will be the tie-breaker.

[Corrian]

50/50 wouldnt be bad.

Mike Pence will be the tie-breaker.

Gag...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He can't destroy the USA in two years. All the awful crap he's gonna pass is probably gonna make 2018 a packed democratic majority in congress.

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all this decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive Senate seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

Oh yeah, it is. A sitting president usually gets the bad end of the stick during the midterm elections, especially since 2000.

[Arlenton]

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all this decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive Senate seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

Oh yeah, it is. A sitting president usually gets the bad end of the stick during the midterm elections, especially since 2000.

Not this time. Sure, Republicans can lose some seats, but will keep majorities in both the Senate and House.

But have you seen the Senate map? It is nearly impossible for them to get the majority, the 50-50 tie is their best plausible outcome. This is basically a GOP majority because the VP.


Plus, with Democrats relying more and more on minorities and young voters, the most unreliable voters, the midterms could possibly start being GOP waves no matter who is president.

[Valaran]

Not a chance.

The House is not going Democratic at all this decade.

And even if Democrats win all competitive Senate seats in the 2018 midterm, they will only make it a 50-50 tie.

Oh yeah, it is. A sitting president usually gets the bad end of the stick during the midterm elections, especially since 2000.

This is a general trend that does not take into account the specifics of each situation. A lot would have to go consistently wrong for this to occur.

[Corrian]

Not this time. Sure, Republicans can lose some seats, but will keep majorities in both the Senate and House.

But have you seen the Senate map? It is nearly impossible for them to get the majority, the 50-50 tie is their best plausible outcome. This is basically a GOP majority because the VP.


Plus, with Democrats relying more and more on minorities and young voters, the most unreliable voters, the midterms could possibly start being GOP waves no matter who is president.

That's great. Obstructionist assholes running the government forever. Just what we need.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Now that Trump evidently won, I'm curious on what people think of the wall. As a Mexican citizen, I disapprove of it completely, but not because I don't think the US should enforce its borders, no, no. I disapprove of it, because I believe it's an archaic solution to a modern problem. Can anyone enlighten me as to how this proposed wall will aide the US against illegal immigration?

[Vassenor]

Now that Trump evidently won, I'm curious on what people think of the wall. As a Mexican citizen, I disapprove of it completely, but not because I don't think the US should enforce its borders, no, no. I disapprove of it, because I believe it's an archaic solution to a modern problem. Can anyone enlighten me as to how this proposed wall will aide the US against illegal immigration?

It won't. It's one of those "being seen to be doing something" things.

[Police state of France]

Trumps victory
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the
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orgasmic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqZ5Y92dl0

[Arlenton]

Not this time. Sure, Republicans can lose some seats, but will keep majorities in both the Senate and House.

But have you seen the Senate map? It is nearly impossible for them to get the majority, the 50-50 tie is their best plausible outcome. This is basically a GOP majority because the VP.


Plus, with Democrats relying more and more on minorities and young voters, the most unreliable voters, the midterms could possibly start being GOP waves no matter who is president.

That's great. Obstructionist assholes running the government forever. Just what we need.

They don't have to be obstructionist anymore, they have the House, Senate, Presidency, Supreme Court, well over half the state Governorship, and are one state legislature away from begin able to push constitutional amendments unopposed.

[Valaran]

Now that Trump evidently won, I'm curious on what people think of the wall. As a Mexican citizen, I disapprove of it completely, but not because I don't think the US should enforce its borders, no, no. I disapprove of it, because I believe it's an archaic solution to a modern problem. Can anyone enlighten me as to how this proposed wall will aide the US against illegal immigration?

Bloody awful, even if it is only of symbolic value (I don't like what it symbolises).


Since Trump is already winding down expectations, one might expect it to have a reduced practical purpose than we were lead to believe.