So he is double-faced like Bill Clinton? What does his love life have anything to do with his future Presidency?
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by Gauthier » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:15 am
Uxupox wrote:
So he is double-faced like Bill Clinton? What does his love life have anything to do with his future Presidency?

by Liriena » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:15 am
Uxupox wrote:
So he is double-faced like Bill Clinton? What does his love life have anything to do with his future Presidency?
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by Liriena » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:16 am
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by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:17 am

by Shamhnan Insir » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:20 am
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING

by Liriena » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:23 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.
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by Gauthier » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:25 am
Liriena wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.
You are working under the assumption that Trump is a good businessman. He isn't.

by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:25 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.

by Shamhnan Insir » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:26 am
Liriena wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.
You are working under the assumption that Trump is a good businessman. He isn't.
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING

by Gauthier » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:27 am
Corrian wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.
What's saddest is the fact people can't learn to just accept their jobs are GONE. They need to get that into the voting blocks skulls as well. At least if I was working in those industries, I could accept that they're freaking gone, even if it sucks. We're going renewable eventually if they like it or not.

by Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:27 am
Liriena wrote:You are working under the assumption that Trump is a good businessman. He isn't.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:28 am
Gauthier wrote:Corrian wrote:What's saddest is the fact people can't learn to just accept their jobs are GONE. They need to get that into the voting blocks skulls as well. At least if I was working in those industries, I could accept that they're freaking gone, even if it sucks. We're going renewable eventually if they like it or not.
Which is why many so readily guzzled down Trump's snake oil promises.

by Shamhnan Insir » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:29 am
Corrian wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:His ambitions to "dig coal" do not amount to much. That industry is buggered and at best he can maybe save a few jobs in the short run.
I'm surprised he, as a business man, has not recognised that the renewable industry is going to the growth sector for manufacturing and infrastructure jobs in the future across the world. If he delays and continues to refute climate change as a threat then he will be doing damage to the American jobs he apparently cares about, as all the green jobs will go to industries abroad.
This, this concept of jobs from renewables, needs to be put across to him in plain terms. It's our only shot at changing him and stopping a potentially huge cluster-fuck.
What's saddest is the fact people can't learn to just accept their jobs are GONE. They need to get that into the voting blocks skulls as well. At least if I was working in those industries, I could accept that they're freaking gone, even if it sucks. We're going renewable eventually if they like it or not.
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING

by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:30 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:Corrian wrote:What's saddest is the fact people can't learn to just accept their jobs are GONE. They need to get that into the voting blocks skulls as well. At least if I was working in those industries, I could accept that they're freaking gone, even if it sucks. We're going renewable eventually if they like it or not.
Exactly! Their jobs are going up in smoke, if not now then pretty soon. It is in best interest to give them some other work to move into. Sure they won't be able to say "we're coal miners in these parts" but at least they will have jobs.

by Gauthier » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:34 am

by Narintia » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:43 am
Gauthier wrote:Corrian wrote:People sure do love thinking irrationally. To think we still fall for this shit in 2016.
And with the encouragement to accept feelings over thinking, evidence and logic what we have are blue collar workers that are going to be disappointed then pissed when their manufacturing jobs of yore aren't coming back to them now while the rest of the country collapses into alt-right dystopia for anyone who isn't white cis-het male.

by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:44 am
Gauthier wrote:Corrian wrote:People sure do love thinking irrationally. To think we still fall for this shit in 2016.
And with the encouragement to accept feelings over thinking, evidence and logic what we have are blue collar workers that are going to be disappointed then pissed when their manufacturing jobs of yore aren't coming back to them now while the rest of the country collapses into alt-right dystopia for anyone who isn't white cis-het male.

by Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:47 am
Narintia wrote:Gauthier wrote:
And with the encouragement to accept feelings over thinking, evidence and logic what we have are blue collar workers that are going to be disappointed then pissed when their manufacturing jobs of yore aren't coming back to them now while the rest of the country collapses into alt-right dystopia for anyone who isn't white cis-het male.
He can't destroy the USA in two years. All the awful crap he's gonna pass is probably gonna make 2018 a packed democratic majority in congress.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

by Corrian » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:48 am
Valaran wrote:Narintia wrote:He can't destroy the USA in two years. All the awful crap he's gonna pass is probably gonna make 2018 a packed democratic majority in congress.
2018 is seriously unlikely to lead to a democratic clean sweep at this stage.
The best chance for the Senate was 2016; there is no good chance for the House.

by Valaran » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:49 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

by Maichuko » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:14 am

by Gauthier » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:14 am
Maichuko wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-wall-mexican-border-fence-segments/
So Trump admits his wall will have a lot of fence and has lowered his promises of deporting 11 million people to 2 or at most 3 million.
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