Trump's wall

[Rio Cana]

The Idea of the wall is just laughable,people can go over and under the wall? How? It's called Logic.

From what little I have read the wall will extend pretty far underground and be well guarded, so if we assume it gets built completely, it could stop a reasonable amount of people. Then again, someone told me today that the majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico come by plane. Haven't had time to verify that, though.

I seem to remember Trump saying he'd put a better immigration system in place for the Mexicans. If he does this successfully, it could decrease illegal immigration in the long term.

It seems some here think that the bulk of those 11 million illegals are Mexicans. Only 5 million are Mexicans. It use to be 6.4 million but illegal Mexican immigration has been going down since 2009. Since 2013 Chinese illegal immigration a year is said to be higher then Mexican illegal immigration. A wall on the Mexican border will not keep the Chinese out even thought some use Mexico to cross into the US. Most Chinese can overstay there tourist Visa to the US. They can also travel to Canada and cross to the US. Not much in the way of barriers on the US-Canadian border.

Chinese, South Koreans, and Indians among the fastest-growing segments of undocumented immigrants

Read this - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... th/432603/

This is the breakup of where the illegals come from. Numbers are old. From 2012

2012
Country Population
1. Mexico 6,720,000 (2016 - down to 5 million)
2. El Salvador 690,000
3. Guatemala 560,000
4. Honduras 360,000
5. Philippines 310,000 (2016 - some sources say 1 million)
6. India 260,000 (2014 - some sources say 500.000) Seems to be climbing very fast compared to the others.

In fact, if stretched back to 1990, India's unauthorized U.S. immigration growth far outpaces any other country's, reaching 914 percent.

7. Korea 230,000
8. China 210,000
9. Ecuador 170,000
10. Vietnam 160,000
All Countries 11,430,000

When it comes to the Philippines, when they were a US territory they started migrating to the US which caused some Western states to pass anti-Filipino laws. When the Philippines was made a commonwealth, US politicians worring over the growing Filipino population and the political effect it would have on the US made sure only 50 Filipinos a year could migrate to the US. They did not put a limit on US migration to the Philippines.

[Karazia]

He said it himself in a speech. He isn't going to build the wall multiple times.

Ok, I demand sauce.

I don't understand.

[Galloism]

Ok, I demand sauce.

I don't understand.

Source that Trump, himself, said it wasn't a real wall, and that he isn't going to build the wall.

Not a surrogate. Not a pundit. Trump.

[Hobbeebia]

With enough power playing Trump could get the Wall built with Mexico paying for it, but the trade off will be laxing his attempts to deport illegals. And proposing a deeper tax on money transfer is a very good way to make it happen. I run a business where I do a lot of money transfers to Mexico. and if you were to increase the tax from 2.5% to say 10% Steep yes, but doable, the amount of collected tax could in theory pay for that wall. but holding that money ransom to Mexico could bring Mexico to its knees and relent to the building of the wall.

EDIT:

To put the amount of money into perspective. The average transfer I complete on most days is around 5000-7000$. Current Tax is 2.5% which at the normal high of 7000$ we are looking at a tax bill of 175$. Bump that to 10% and thats 700$ a transfer.

I normally do about 30-40 tranfers a week so at 700$ a transfer I would be banking the Fed's about 24,500$ if I get an average of about 35 transfer's a week. Take this into account and factor in that just within my zip code there are roughly 200 International money transfer companies thats becomes an average of about 4,900,000$ in Transfer fees and taxes now factor that times the projected number of just Western Union Locations at roughly 500,000 according to the company, that is an estimated 2,450,000,000,000$ though this is probably much higher than would actually happen probably about a 15% of this would actually occur would still give you an amount of 367,500,000,000$ a week in potential revenue for Trumps Government.

First rule when it comes to Mexico. They will not Kow-tow. Seems you have never read there national anthem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFoDelEJJTM

If it were not for wire transfers by Mexicans and other groups, there would be no Western Union. Western Union, an American icon, was going out of business but these immigrants wire transfers saved it.

Banking has gone international. There are Mexican banks in the US. There are also US banks in Mexico. So they deposit there money in that Mexican or US bank and there relatives in Mexico go to the same bank and just withdraw it. If things get really bad they say this will just open the door to people who can provide a money transfer service for a fee.

Banking maybe international, but U.S. law makes sit incredibily difficult to open accounts for use in the U.S. without a social or alien number. Even if they have one internarion money transfers even with a bank still incur a tax if wiring put of the national borders.

[Rio Cana]

I suspect Mexico will be pursuing a nuclear deterrent in the near future.

The only nuke Mexico can pursue is for the production of electric power. Mexico and all nations south of Mexico including the Caribbean (this also includes US and European territories in the Caribbean and Latin America) cannot be used to store nuke weapons. Also, the nations cannot manufacture nuke weapons. Its a nuke free zone. The US and major powers including Russia also signed this.

Treaty of Tlatelolco - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tlatelolco

[Rio Cana]

First rule when it comes to Mexico. They will not Kow-tow. Seems you have never read there national anthem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFoDelEJJTM

If it were not for wire transfers by Mexicans and other groups, there would be no Western Union. Western Union, an American icon, was going out of business but these immigrants wire transfers saved it.

Banking has gone international. There are Mexican banks in the US. There are also US banks in Mexico. So they deposit there money in that Mexican or US bank and there relatives in Mexico go to the same bank and just withdraw it. If things get really bad they say this will just open the door to people who can provide a money transfer service for a fee.

Banking maybe international, but U.S. law makes sit incredibily difficult to open accounts for use in the U.S. without a social or alien number. Even if they have one internarion money transfers even with a bank still incur a tax if wiring put of the national borders.

If Trump can get around paying Federal taxes I would think someone would find a way around this.

[Loreaver]

I don't understand.

Source that Trump, himself, said it wasn't a real wall, and that he isn't going to build the wall.

Not a surrogate. Not a pundit. Trump.

http://wonkette.com/599111/trumps-wall- ... ith-swears

I will, and the wall just got 10 feet taller, believe me.

Man, hard to believe that "imaginary" wall got 10 feet higher. Anyone who actually believes Trump isn't serious about building an actual wall is either delusional for ignorant.

[USS Monitor]

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