Trump's wall

[Liriena]

I think he'll try, but Mexico won't pay for it no matter what he does, and more moderate Republicans will probably try and water that crap down into something that's less of a bombastic waste of money.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

The Idea of the wall is just laughable,people can go over and under the wall? How? It's called Logic.

From what little I have read the wall will extend pretty far underground and be well guarded, so if we assume it gets built completely, it could stop a reasonable amount of people. Then again, someone told me today that the majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico come by plane. Haven't had time to verify that, though.

I seem to remember Trump saying he'd put a better immigration system in place for the Mexicans. If he does this successfully, it could decrease illegal immigration in the long term.

[Hobbeebia]

You over-estimate the Mexican governments ability to apply pressure diplomatically my friend. Although one person said it right... they would never Directly pay for it in the end.

[New Socialist South Africa]

There is a good chance it will just end up just being border fences and increased border security, but he will definitely take a swing at it to make his base happy, try lock them down for 2020 (it saddens me a little that that is a thing now).

Who knows though? People have been underestimating Trump since he announced his campaign, by now it is best to expect the unexpected, or at least be prepared for it.

[Hobbeebia]

There is a good chance it will just end up just being border fences and increased border security, but he will definitely take a swing at it to make his base happy, try lock them down for 2020 (it saddens me a little that that is a thing now).

Who knows though? People have been underestimating Trump since he announced his campaign, by now it is best to expect the unexpected, or at least be prepared for it.

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[Galbeon]

If he is the smart businessman he claims to be, he won't go ahead with this. The cost to acquire supplies, ship them to the construction zone, build roads to get to the currently inaccessible areas of the border, pay the construction crews, and all the other expenses will cost taxpayers billions. To make it worse, upkeep and maintenance of the wall annually is going to be just as bad. And this isn't even taking into consideration the fact that the wall may only hinder those who don't know how to get past it. Think about it. It's a wall. It doesn't move or think. It just sits there. So it won't stop people from going over or under. Or hell, even around it at sea. So basically, Americans may pay billions for a useless, gargantuan slab of 20 foot high concrete.

[Uxupox]

There's a volcano on our shared border. That sounds like a fun construction site.

Sound like the perfect place to sacrifice pesky immigrants to appease the Great Orange.

Is the Trump the great Orange God AKA Mixcoatl.

[Karazia]

He meant extreme vetting. If anyone actually paid close attention they would know this.

[Hobbeebia]

If he is the smart businessman he claims to be, he won't go ahead with this. The cost to acquire supplies, ship them to the construction zone, build roads to get to the currently inaccessible areas of the border, pay the construction crews, and all the other expenses will cost taxpayers billions. To make it worse, upkeep and maintenance of the wall annually is going to be just as bad. And this isn't even taking into consideration the fact that the wall may only hinder those who don't know how to get past it. Think about it. It's a wall. It doesn't move or think. It just sits there. So it won't stop people from going over or under. Or hell, even around it at sea. So basically, Americans may pay billions for a useless, gargantuan slab of 20 foot high concrete.

I live on the Border, so from experience I can say that boat and plane do happen but not nearly at the level as foot traffic and car. A wall that has about three feet worth going down with an additional 5 feet of .5 inch rebar going down in about 6 in. intervals prevents MOST underground attempts, as for overmaking the wall lean forward slightly will make it difficult to scale without hardware add in some barbed wire and camera's plus additional border patrols A wall suddenly become extremely effective. Alternatively you could always place a double wall and have the in between sections fill with low explosive landmines.... Gruesome... but effective.

[Rio Cana]

I personally think we'd be better off just flat out using our superior firepower to annex Mexico. then we'd have a 300 mile border and a temporary wall already built.

Lets see what's on that 300 mile border.
Video time. The person with the video camera is in Mexico. Across is Guatemala. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8aHS7LIN0Y

Did you see, smuggling packs of Cola into Guatemala.

[The Forsworn Knights]

He meant extreme vetting. If anyone actually paid close attention they would know this.

No, while he mentioned vetting he also specifically mentioned building a 90 foot tall wall. You are just trying to justify the fantastically impossible proposals of the angry tangerine.

[Rio Cana]

With enough power playing Trump could get the Wall built with Mexico paying for it, but the trade off will be laxing his attempts to deport illegals. And proposing a deeper tax on money transfer is a very good way to make it happen. I run a business where I do a lot of money transfers to Mexico. and if you were to increase the tax from 2.5% to say 10% Steep yes, but doable, the amount of collected tax could in theory pay for that wall. but holding that money ransom to Mexico could bring Mexico to its knees and relent to the building of the wall.

EDIT:

To put the amount of money into perspective. The average transfer I complete on most days is around 5000-7000$. Current Tax is 2.5% which at the normal high of 7000$ we are looking at a tax bill of 175$. Bump that to 10% and thats 700$ a transfer.

I normally do about 30-40 tranfers a week so at 700$ a transfer I would be banking the Fed's about 24,500$ if I get an average of about 35 transfer's a week. Take this into account and factor in that just within my zip code there are roughly 200 International money transfer companies thats becomes an average of about 4,900,000$ in Transfer fees and taxes now factor that times the projected number of just Western Union Locations at roughly 500,000 according to the company, that is an estimated 2,450,000,000,000$ though this is probably much higher than would actually happen probably about a 15% of this would actually occur would still give you an amount of 367,500,000,000$ a week in potential revenue for Trumps Government.

First rule when it comes to Mexico. They will not Kow-tow. Seems you have never read there national anthem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFoDelEJJTM

If it were not for wire transfers by Mexicans and other groups, there would be no Western Union. Western Union, an American icon, was going out of business but these immigrants wire transfers saved it.

Banking has gone international. There are Mexican banks in the US. There are also US banks in Mexico. So they deposit there money in that Mexican or US bank and there relatives in Mexico go to the same bank and just withdraw it. If things get really bad they say this will just open the door to people who can provide a money transfer service for a fee.

[Rio Cana]

There is a good chance it will just end up just being border fences and increased border security, but he will definitely take a swing at it to make his base happy, try lock them down for 2020 (it saddens me a little that that is a thing now).

Who knows though? People have been underestimating Trump since he announced his campaign, by now it is best to expect the unexpected, or at least be prepared for it.

You do know that Trump later changed the size of the wall during his campaign. He said it would only be 1/3 has long. He knows there are high quality very effective steel fences, we are not talking about home cyclone fences, already in place. And then there is the Rio Grande. Chances are a wall would be built in the deserts parts which have no barriers in place since there is nothing there. Going back, in some places in California land near the border fences cost plenty. First the wall provides security. Second the border patrol also provides security.

In a small crossing between Mexico and New Mexico a home cyclone border fence is being replaced by a high quality steel fence. Both sides of the community are not happy. Seems there are families living on both sides. Border communities usually are there own thing.

Read this - http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2 ... effective/

Edit - When it comes to illegal immigrants, there is said to be 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. Out of those 5 million are Mexicans. Chances are most people think the bulk of those 11 million illegals were Mexican.

[Karazia]

He meant extreme vetting. If anyone actually paid close attention they would know this.

No, while he mentioned vetting he also specifically mentioned building a 90 foot tall wall. You are just trying to justify the fantastically impossible proposals of the angry tangerine.

He literately said he wouldn't actually make a wall.

[Senkaku]

I suspect Mexico will be pursuing a nuclear deterrent in the near future.

[Galloism]

No, while he mentioned vetting he also specifically mentioned building a 90 foot tall wall. You are just trying to justify the fantastically impossible proposals of the angry tangerine.

He literately said he wouldn't actually make a wall.

No, one of his surrogates said that, followed by him saying "no, it's going to be a real wall".

[Karazia]

He literately said he wouldn't actually make a wall.

No, one of his surrogates said that, followed by him saying "no, it's going to be a real wall".

He said it himself in a speech. He isn't going to build the wall multiple times.

[North Timeria]

Anybody remember ghost

[Stellonia]

There will indeed be a border wall. However, it will be funded on Kickstarter.

[Karazia]

There will indeed be a border wall. However, it will be funded on Kickstarter.

Now I could see that.

[Trotza]

I suspect Mexico will be pursuing a nuclear deterrent in the near future.

Surprised they haven't joined in with Cuba in the military drills. I'm sure we can expect a Grand Latino Alliance in all but a few years, upon which a faraway leader will come and declare, "Mr.Trump, tear down that wall." and it'll be all historical and stuff.

[Senkaku]

I suspect Mexico will be pursuing a nuclear deterrent in the near future.

Surprised they haven't joined in with Cuba in the military drills. I'm sure we can expect a Grand Latino Alliance in all but a few years, upon which a faraway leader will come and declare, "Mr.Trump, tear down that wall." and it'll be all historical and stuff.

Either that or we'll have Cuban Missile Crisis 2: Mariachi Boogaloo, with the Mexicans letting the Chinese or the Russians or someone point nukes at us.

[Galloism]

No, one of his surrogates said that, followed by him saying "no, it's going to be a real wall".

He said it himself in a speech. He isn't going to build the wall multiple times.

Ok, I demand sauce.

[Trotza]

Surprised they haven't joined in with Cuba in the military drills. I'm sure we can expect a Grand Latino Alliance in all but a few years, upon which a faraway leader will come and declare, "Mr.Trump, tear down that wall." and it'll be all historical and stuff.

Either that or we'll have Cuban Missile Crisis 2: Mariachi Boogaloo, with the Mexicans letting the Chinese or the Russians or someone point nukes at us.

Eh, I was never a fan of most sequels. You can slap a wacky name, different side characters, and new twist ending to it, but they just can't seem to measure up to the original.

[Impireacht]

There's a volcano on our shared border. That sounds like a fun construction site.

Hey if the Chinese can build a wall with wooden, stone, and early metal tools then 21st century America can surly build one. Oh and the Volcano you can make it its own country and have people move their if they decide to leave.

The mongols didn't have tons of tunnels though...

Also, who the hell would move to the volcano instead of going to Murica?

Oh, and the poor fools working on the wall are probably going to face constant threats and have their asses beaten occasionally