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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:54 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:55 pmIsle of Shadows wrote:He apologized for the assaults and admits to it. Don't get me wrong, I definitely thing he is a pos. However, Hillary never apologized for laughing about the rape cases she was dealing with (there are recordings of her also)... I would have voted for her (even though I have opposed views to democrats) if she had divorced her husband and proved that 1) she doesn't need a man to be strong and independent enough to be president 2) she cares more about the people rather than power/ money/ and her image. I really wanted to like her. However, if I was her, I would've divorced my husband and actually tried to help provide evidence to put my husband in jail.New haven america wrote:
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:55 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:56 pmArkolon wrote:According to fivethirtyeight dot com, all of the third party votes going to Clinton wouldn't have flipped enough states to give her the victory. Haven't checked it but it's a respectable enough website.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:57 pmReploid Productions wrote:There are plenty of people to blame for it. 3rd party voters are not blameless, but they carry the least degree of blame in this. Blame the Republicans who for years have been strip-mining the worst the United States has to offer to try and scrape some more votes that made a candidate like Trump viable. Blame the Democrats who badly misread the political climate and decided to field an establishment candidate in a time and place where people are really freaking fed up with establishment politics.
There's plenty of blame to go around. To cast the blame solely on those who voted third party is irresponsible and short-sighted.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:57 pmNovus America wrote:Socialist Nordia wrote:All of the sudden, Trump supporters don't give a shit about a broken system when they're the beneficiaries.
The states preferred Trump. We are a Union of sovereign states, not a single state. And the state governments we elected decided to run it this way. I do not like Trump, but he won by the rules we through our elected governments chose.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:58 pmThe Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It's broken but you don't care because the candidate you want won.
k.
Happened to Gore and it happened now, and it will probably happen in the future. The system is broken but no one is going to fix it, that's the way it's going to be.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:58 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:59 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:59 pmThe Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It's broken but you don't care because the candidate you want won.
k.
Happened to Gore and it happened now, and it will probably happen in the future. The system is broken but no one is going to fix it, that's the way it's going to be.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:59 pmNERVUN wrote:No. A vote is your voice and I will not blame anyone for expressing their political opinion with it. Sec. Clinton lost the electoral college, not happy, but there is no one to blame for that beyond her campaign. If someone voted third party, or none of these, or Mickey Mouse, THAT is who they wanted (or didn't want) as president and THAT should damn well be respected regardless of who wins.
Else-wise the whole bloody thing is pointless.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:01 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:02 pmThe Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:Anyways I'm joyful America picked a party that will probably fix the Rust Belt and much more, I'm just hoping he will agree to Keystone and make that Trudeau dip change his mind.
NERVUN wrote: If someone voted third party, or none of these, or Mickey Mouse, THAT is who they wanted (or didn't want) as president and THAT should damn well be respected regardless of who wins.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:02 pmTrotskylvania wrote:Novus America wrote:
The states preferred Trump. We are a Union of sovereign states, not a single state. And the state governments we elected decided to run it this way. I do not like Trump, but he won by the rules we through our elected governments chose.
No the states were never intended to choose the President. That's why electoral college votes are weighted by population, and why electors were selected alongside members of the House of Representatives in their own district, unpledged, in the initial system.
The development of parties, the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, have all completely mutated the original intent of the Electoral College. The original reason for the winner-take-all system, the strengthening of the Southern voting bloc to maintain Southern control of the national government, happened before the Civil War.
There's no point in defending the Electoral College, because it has so wildly mutated from its original intent for a myriad number of reasons. And none of the reasons for its existence (the existence of slavery and different state suffrage laws) have any relevance today. We guarnteed, by constitutional amendment, a uniform and universal suffrage system. States can't get an artificial advantage by expanding suffrage, so there's no point for indirect election of the President.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:02 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:03 pmThe Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I absolutely love how Dems say they hate the electoral college and they hate it's very existence but the moment Cali is on their side they suddenly switch and put all their support on the one state.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:03 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:05 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:06 pmThe Lone Alliance wrote:NERVUN wrote:No. A vote is your voice and I will not blame anyone for expressing their political opinion with it. Sec. Clinton lost the electoral college, not happy, but there is no one to blame for that beyond her campaign. If someone voted third party, or none of these, or Mickey Mouse, THAT is who they wanted (or didn't want) as president and THAT should damn well be respected regardless of who wins.
Else-wise the whole bloody thing is pointless.
CNN is saying she might actually be losing the popular vote too.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:06 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:06 pmNovus America wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:No the states were never intended to choose the President. That's why electoral college votes are weighted by population, and why electors were selected alongside members of the House of Representatives in their own district, unpledged, in the initial system.
The development of parties, the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, have all completely mutated the original intent of the Electoral College. The original reason for the winner-take-all system, the strengthening of the Southern voting bloc to maintain Southern control of the national government, happened before the Civil War.
There's no point in defending the Electoral College, because it has so wildly mutated from its original intent for a myriad number of reasons. And none of the reasons for its existence (the existence of slavery and different state suffrage laws) have any relevance today. We guarnteed, by constitutional amendment, a uniform and universal suffrage system. States can't get an artificial advantage by expanding suffrage, so there's no point for indirect election of the President.
The states were intended to chose the president, check your constitution again. It says the states determine how electors are to be apportioned. If the states want to do it by national popular vote they can, but they do not have to either.
Sure I disagree with the winner takes all system, but that is what our elected governments have chosen to keep.
The constitution allows us to run elections pretty much however we want, and this is how we have chosen to run them. Yes I would chose a different way. But you or me do not dictate how elections are to be run. We vote for people who chose how.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:07 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:08 pmThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I absolutely love how Dems say they hate the electoral college and they hate it's very existence but the moment Cali is on their side they suddenly switch and put all their support on the one state.
Cali is a blue state m8.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:08 pmPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:09 pmWashington Resistance Army wrote:United States of Natan wrote:Yes. if they had the common sense to realize the stakes of this election, and that this isn't the right time to be making a protest vote, then maybe we'd actually be celebrating the triumph of a decent president over trump.
Clinton wasn't entitled to my vote and I don't think she would have made a decent president.