Should 3rd Party Voters be blamed for the Trump Victory?

[SUNTHREIT]

It certainly hurt. Didn't Utah have an independent actually gain more votes than HRC?

Mcmullin wasn't stealing any Clinton voters though, he took Trump ones.


Also, on OP's facebook friends' remarks on third party voters, I'm pretty sure it's perfectly fine to express distaste of the political system in any American election. That's partly what elections are for. Also, if a third party gets more than 5% of the vote, the American government will give it a ton of money to use on campaign in the next election, so it might actually escape a two party system gradually if people vote third party enough. Also, roughly half the country voted, I feel some healthy distaste for the political system expressed via minor party votes is actually a good thing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I just want to remove the ban on new MG's. Surely you can agree it's nonsense that I, a law abiding gun nut, can own a machine gun made on May 19th of 1986 but I can't own one made on May 20th of the same year.

Handheld MGs are trash anyways lmao.

Fightin' words

Warren would of been a worse choice. She's a total wingbat who only appeals to people who would vote Democrat anyway. Plus she can't like about being native American to get this job

Even Fox News contributors were saying she would be a good VP. She actually inspires young progressives to go out and vote, rather than seeing them stay home or vote Third party. She would scare Republicans, but they won't vote Hillary anyway. I'm trying to work out if Tim Kaine won over anyone, or if anyone even knew who he was, or whether he had just put them to sleep.

It is about holding you base and winning undecided voters, Warren certainly holds the base, and she is charismatic enough to win quite a number of undecideds even if you don't like her. Tim Kaine had the base leaving because he was a boring establishment pick, and he didn't win over independents because he was a boring guy with little name recognition and even less charisma. I have socks with more charisma than Tim Kaine.

You need to get people excited to go vote, Trump did that, Kaine and Hillary didn't. Warren would have.

Thank you. Clinton has the charisma of a rock.

[Nerotysia]

No. To blame the voters would be elitism of the highest order. And leftists are supposed to be, well, not elitist.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Handheld MGs are trash anyways lmao.

Fightin' words

Even Fox News contributors were saying she would be a good VP. She actually inspires young progressives to go out and vote, rather than seeing them stay home or vote Third party. She would scare Republicans, but they won't vote Hillary anyway. I'm trying to work out if Tim Kaine won over anyone, or if anyone even knew who he was, or whether he had just put them to sleep.

It is about holding you base and winning undecided voters, Warren certainly holds the base, and she is charismatic enough to win quite a number of undecideds even if you don't like her. Tim Kaine had the base leaving because he was a boring establishment pick, and he didn't win over independents because he was a boring guy with little name recognition and even less charisma. I have socks with more charisma than Tim Kaine.

You need to get people excited to go vote, Trump did that, Kaine and Hillary didn't. Warren would have.

Thank you. Clinton has the charisma of a rock.

That is an insult to rocks, most rocks have more charisma than Hillary, believe me.

[The Forsworn Knights]

I wish I could buy an m224. Sadly it's impossible.

Mortar? It might not be an M224 but if you're serious I can point you in the right direction for a mortar of some sort.

Well, for starters you dont need to actually break the law to get put on the no-fly list, several watchlists, etc. And if you ever used a M60 in public the Spray would get you in massive trouble due to property damage and the inevitability of the spray of a Squad Automatic Weapon hitting a ton of innocents.

Good thing nobody is going to carry a pig in public lol

I just want to remove the ban on new MG's. Surely you can agree it's nonsense that I, a law abiding gun nut, can own a machine gun made on May 19th of 1986 but I can't own one made on May 20th of the same year.

You know full well why that ban was put in place, though. These weapons simply put have no place in civilian hands without being monitored by professionals working for the government the entire time the weapon is with the civilians. These weapons are specifically designed to hunt and kill humans. Not some random deer, humans. You can have your shotguns and your hunting rifles and your handguns all you want if you register them, but you have no law-abiding reason to use a rocket launcher or an M60 that you wouldnt be perfectly fine being monitored by professionals and put on watchlists for.

[Novus America]

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

No, they didn't. The Militia is everybody. Every Able-bodied man from 17-45; later expanded to include everyone. We are all the Militia. And 'well regulated' meant trained. The intent listed in the Second Amendment is that it was vital that as many people as possible be skilled in the use and maintenance of firearms should they ever have to be organized into a militia.

And thus the training requirements that many states require you to go through to get a gun are legal.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You know full well why that ban was put in place, though. These weapons simply put have no place in civilian hands without being monitored by professionals working for the government the entire time the weapon is with the civilians. These weapons are specifically designed to hunt and kill humans. Not some random deer, humans. You can have your shotguns and your hunting rifles and your handguns all you want if you register them, but you have no law-abiding reason to use a rocket launcher or an M60 that you wouldnt be perfectly fine being monitored by professionals and put on watchlists for.

Yeah the ban was put into place because of upset liberals pissing on my rights for no reasons. They already have to be registered under the NFA, why were they banned when nothing wrong was being done with them?

That is an insult to rocks, most rocks have more charisma than Hillary, believe me.

I would like to take this moment to apologize to all the rocks I have offended

[Zurkerx]

According to fivethirtyeight dot com, all of the third party votes going to Clinton wouldn't have flipped enough states to give her the victory. Haven't checked it but it's a respectable enough website.

I have to agree, it wouldn't matter if people cast their votes for a third party. If it was a Ross Perot situation, maybe it would be different but, that didn't happen.

[New Socialist South Africa]

That is an insult to rocks, most rocks have more charisma than Hillary, believe me.

I would like to take this moment to apologize to all the rocks I have offended

*Dwayne Johnson accepts your apology and offers to go have a beer with you.

[The Forsworn Knights]

You know full well why that ban was put in place, though. These weapons simply put have no place in civilian hands without being monitored by professionals working for the government the entire time the weapon is with the civilians. These weapons are specifically designed to hunt and kill humans. Not some random deer, humans. You can have your shotguns and your hunting rifles and your handguns all you want if you register them, but you have no law-abiding reason to use a rocket launcher or an M60 that you wouldnt be perfectly fine being monitored by professionals and put on watchlists for.

Yeah the ban was put into place because of upset liberals pissing on my rights for no reasons. They already have to be registered under the NFA, why were they banned when nothing wrong was being done with them?

That is an insult to rocks, most rocks have more charisma than Hillary, believe me.

I would like to take this moment to apologize to all the rocks I have offended

Prolly because people already commit extremely violent crimes with the guns that are currently legal, and they would do so on a much, much grander scale if they could get a fully-automatic AK instead of grandpa's hunting rifle?

[Gun Manufacturers]

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

Don't forget the paperwork and $200 tax on every individual anti-personnel/explosive grenade.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Prolly because people already commit extremely violent crimes with the guns that are currently legal, and they would do so on a much, much grander scale if they could get a fully-automatic AK instead of grandpa's hunting rifle?

Why didn't they do that before the ban on them? From 1934 when MG's were regulated to 1986 when they were banned I haven't been able to find any concrete examples of crimes being committed with machine guns. The few examples I have found popped up after said ban. There's also 2 self defense killings with MG's prior to the ban.

Admit it, there's no reason for it.

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

Don't forget the paperwork and $200 tax on every individual anti-personnel/explosive grenade.

Yeah, if you have the balls to make them and actually fire them. Even for me that's going a tad far.

I would like to take this moment to apologize to all the rocks I have offended

*Dwayne Johnson accepts you apology and offers to go have a beer with you.

I don't like beer but I'd probably accept that offer

[Gun Manufacturers]

Even if the candidates are both bad, one is always worse. You might have to think about it for a while, but there will definitely be someone worse. It's the lesser of two evils. Although, in this case, Trump was OBVIOUSLY worse. There is no doubting that. Voting third party is basically like not voting at all, both throwing away your vote.

I voted for Gary Johnson because I don't like voting for evil, and because I was hoping to help push the Libertarian party to the 5% goal for federal election funds next election.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

WRA wants to make it perfectly legal to acquire such a weapon with a heavy tax and some paperwork.

It already IS legal with a $200 tax and paperwork.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even if the candidates are both bad, one is always worse. You might have to think about it for a while, but there will definitely be someone worse. It's the lesser of two evils. Although, in this case, Trump was OBVIOUSLY worse. There is no doubting that. Voting third party is basically like not voting at all, both throwing away your vote.

I voted for Gary Johnson because I don't like voting for evil, and because I was hoping to help push the Libertarian party to the 5% goal for federal election funds next election.

We didn't get federal funds but we did get ballot access in quite a few states, it was a small victory.

[New haven america]

Gun control will also be stopped,

Why do you say it like it's a bad things, hallelujah that a politician isn't trying to covertly change an ammendment for once.

You have the fight to bear arms, you don't, however, have the right to bear unregulated arms.

[Novus America]

Prolly because people already commit extremely violent crimes with the guns that are currently legal, and they would do so on a much, much grander scale if they could get a fully-automatic AK instead of grandpa's hunting rifle?

Why didn't they do that before the ban on them? From 1934 when MG's were regulated to 1986 when they were banned I haven't been able to find any concrete examples of crimes being committed with machine guns. The few examples I have found popped up after said ban. There's also 2 self defense killings with MG's prior to the ban.

Admit it, there's no reason for it.

Don't forget the paperwork and $200 tax on every individual anti-personnel/explosive grenade.

Yeah, if you have the balls to make them and actually fire them. Even for me that's going a tad far.

*Dwayne Johnson accepts you apology and offers to go have a beer with you.

I don't like beer but I'd probably accept that offer

It should be noted that crime was lower in the 1950s, and went UP after the gun control act of 1968.

Seems like having a good economy and at least some mental health care matters most in reducing crime.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why do you say it like it's a bad things, hallelujah that a politician isn't trying to covertly change an ammendment for once.

You have the fight to bear arms, you don't, however, have the right to bear unregulated arms.

Well that sounds like a jolly good time

[Gun Manufacturers]

I expect people to be held accountable for their actions.

And yet you run every time the police arrive due to reports of a disturbance.

His wife CAN be pretty scary when LG gets into mischief.

[Soadino]

I think Trump voters are the people who are to be blamed for a Trump victory.

[Trotza]

I think Trump voters are the people who are to be blamed for a Trump victory.

Blamed, credited, what have you, it's a bit of a matter of connotation.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Yeah the ban was put into place because of upset liberals pissing on my rights for no reasons. They already have to be registered under the NFA, why were they banned when nothing wrong was being done with them?



I would like to take this moment to apologize to all the rocks I have offended

Prolly because people already commit extremely violent crimes with the guns that are currently legal, and they would do so on a much, much grander scale if they could get a fully-automatic AK instead of grandpa's hunting rifle?

Since the National Firearms Act of 1934, there has been 1 murder (possibly 2, but I can't confirm) committed with legally owned full auto/select fire weapons, committed (by an off duty police officer) AFTER the Hughes Amendment to FOPA was passed.

You're objectively wrong.

[Soadino]

I think Trump voters are the people who are to be blamed for a Trump victory.

Blamed, credited, what have you, it's a bit of a matter of connotation.

Still tho

[Trotza]

Blamed, credited, what have you, it's a bit of a matter of connotation.

Still tho

You could also say that people who didn't vote for Hillary contributed to it, although that means primarily the same thing if you don't think it's the fault of third parties, such as I do.

[Farnhamia]

You miswrote "Thanked" in the thread title.

I do not see why anyone would support Hillary, surely they are either ignorant or hateful.

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