Should 3rd Party Voters be blamed for the Trump Victory?

[Novus America]

Not that hard



Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

You have a point. I've never heard of somebody using an M203 for robbing banks or committing murder. Besides. Who wants to carry that trash.

Also you can get the laucngher, if you go through all the extra checks, taxes and paperwork. But only smoke and flare grenades for the most part.

[The Forsworn Knights]

You have a point. I've never heard of somebody using an M203 for robbing banks or committing murder. Besides. Who wants to carry that trash.

hey now

don't be calling M203s trash m, dems fightin words

Now, now WRA- you said I could. And if I have the right to carry around a freaking machine gun with a grenade launcher, you are damn right someone is going to take you up on that offer and carry it everywhere.

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

The well regulated militia is actually every male from the ages of 17-45(?), so sayeth United States law

These things are already available for purchase, nobody does it. All I want to change is the removal of the machine gun ban that states you can't own automatic weapons made after a certain date because reasons.

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

[Galloism]

What the heck else would you expect to possibly happen if you, as WRA wants to do- make it entirely legal for someone to (if they so choose) carry weapons that are designed specifically to clear an entire room and everything behind it.

I expect people to be held accountable for their actions.

And yet you run every time the police arrive due to reports of a disturbance.

[Arumbia67]

Nobody should blamed for Hillary's loss except herself. She went up against arguably the most flawed candidate in history and blew it.

Agreed. All she needed to do was actually adopt populist positions, make actual progressives on the left top people in her campaign (Elizabeth Warren as VP instead of that boring establishment puppet Tim Kaine) and attack Trump on his many actual issues, like his blatant tax dodging, his suggesting that they should take out the families of terrorists and that he would bring back worse than torture, even if it didn't work, but instead she went with "I'm a woman".

This is how you bungle an election.

Warren would of been a worse choice. She's a total wingbat who only appeals to people who would vote Democrat anyway. Plus she can't like about being native American to get this job

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I expect people to be held accountable for their actions.

And yet you run every time the police arrive due to reports of a disturbance.

They need the exercise.

[New Socialist South Africa]

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

Yes, and it would be literally the only representation a large portion of the country would get if we were to move to a total nationwide popular vote.

Well no not literally, they also still appoint Representatives. The idea that because they live in a smaller state their vote should end up mattering more in the Presidential election because of the electoral college is absurd to me.

Not as absurd as Puerto Rico not having any real say in the matter, or other US territories, but still pretty absurd.

If you do keep the electoral college, at least assign the electors proportionally, that was if Trump wins a third of California he wins a third of those 55 electors, and if Hillary wins 40 something percent in Texas she wins that percent of the electors in Texas. That way you can keep the state by state dynamic, but actually have candidates fighting for percentages in all states, and not just fighting over swing states like Pennsylvania, Florida and New Hampshire the entire election.

[Dahon]

To answer the question: no. This loss was hardly the fault of the third parties.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

Completely irrelevant.

Not really, he mentioned that the real reason he wants it to be legal to carry these things around is because he wants it for him and his militia buddies.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

[Sareva]

Clinton supporters blaming others doesn't surprise me in the least, because the majority of them are too stubborn or too arrogant to admit that they fucked up majorly. There was arrogance on the assumption that Clinton was guaranteed a victory because she was a woman and she was against Trump, who is literally a spray tanned scrotum. There was arrogance in the assumption that all the blacks, Latinos, all the progressives would come out and vote in favour of Clinton when they didn't. There was arrogance in writing off the Rust Belt states in the Midwest and telling them that their concerns about the future and their struggles didn't matter because they were white rural Americans and didn't have the same kind of struggles as urban black or Latino families. There was arrogance in the social, political and intellectual elitism that Clinton was the better candidate because she was a woman. And that elitism, the idea that you are an inherently better person because you are an American progressive, is what created that arrogance and that arrogance is what lost the election for Clinton. They chose someone who cared little about the plight of Middle America and about those working class people who want work but can't find any because there is none. How can you vote for someone who represents a segment of society that says that you can't be struggling to put food on the table because you're white? I doubt these people could walk up to an out of work coal miner in Virginia or Pennsylvania and openly tell them to shut up because others have it worse when he can't feed his family and is facing foreclosure on his home.

Progressive America has no one but themselves to blame.

^This.

This is exactly why people voted for Trump. The majority of Trump voters are these kinds of people. THIS is EXACTLY why people voted for Trump. THIS is why I have absolutely no problem with Trump supporters.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Completely irrelevant.

Not really, he mentioned that the real reason he wants it to be legal to carry these things around is because he wants it for him and his militia buddies.

Sarcasm btw

[Free Missouri]

how?

I define largeness by people, as the government is meant to represent the people, not the dirt.

ALL the people not just the majority, or plurality. we call that tyranny.


I personally would like my own system to be put into the EC. Since each EC vote in the states is supposed to represent one of the seats the state has in congress (Missouri has 10 Electoral Votes, 8 for the 8 districts and 2 for the two senators), my suggestion is simply that we split the states in electoral districts mirroring their congressional districts so that those people vote once for their district's elector and twice for statewide electors. everyone's somewhat happy.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

Hurting feelings?

[Uxupox]

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

I wish I could buy an m224. Sadly it's impossible.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

Well, for starters you dont need to actually break the law to get put on the no-fly list, several watchlists, etc. And if you ever used a M60 in public the Spray would get you in massive trouble due to property damage and the inevitability of the spray of a Squad Automatic Weapon hitting a ton of innocents.

[Novus America]

Nobody does it because simply owning one will get your ass nailed, and because those are headline making weapons that will get the full force of half a dozen agencies after you. If you make it legal to use them people WILL use them.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

In theory you can, but you will be on lists, in fact the is a requirement of getting those weapons, you are subject to periodic checks.
And most people cannot get them. Unless you are one of the few with an FFL.

[Uxupox]

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

Well, for starters you dont need to actually break the law to get put on the no-fly list, several watchlists, etc. And if you ever used a M60 in public the Spray would get you in massive trouble due to property damage and the inevitability of the spray of a Squad Automatic Weapon hitting a ton of innocents.

Uh why would you spray with an m60 a ton of innocents?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Not that hard



Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

No, they didn't. The Militia is everybody. Every Able-bodied man from 17-45; later expanded to include everyone. We are all the Militia. And 'well regulated' meant trained. The intent listed in the Second Amendment is that it was vital that as many people as possible be skilled in the use and maintenance of firearms should they ever have to be organized into a militia.

[Galloism]

I define largeness by people, as the government is meant to represent the people, not the dirt.

ALL the people not just the majority, or plurality. we call that tyranny.


I personally would like my own system to be put into the EC. Since each EC vote in the states is supposed to represent one of the seats the state has in congress (Missouri has 10 Electoral Votes, 8 for the 8 districts and 2 for the two senators), my suggestion is simply that we split the states in electoral districts mirroring their congressional districts so that those people vote once for their district's elector and twice for statewide electors. everyone's somewhat happy.

That increases the power of gerrymandering, not reducing it.

I'd accept as a compromise that electors be awarded proportionally in every state. Still has the problem the EC has of encouraging voter suppression, but it would be better.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Agreed. All she needed to do was actually adopt populist positions, make actual progressives on the left top people in her campaign (Elizabeth Warren as VP instead of that boring establishment puppet Tim Kaine) and attack Trump on his many actual issues, like his blatant tax dodging, his suggesting that they should take out the families of terrorists and that he would bring back worse than torture, even if it didn't work, but instead she went with "I'm a woman".

This is how you bungle an election.

Warren would of been a worse choice. She's a total wingbat who only appeals to people who would vote Democrat anyway. Plus she can't like about being native American to get this job

Even Fox News contributors were saying she would be a good VP. She actually inspires young progressives to go out and vote, rather than seeing them stay home or vote Third party. She would scare Republicans, but they won't vote Hillary anyway. I'm trying to work out if Tim Kaine won over anyone, or if anyone even knew who he was, or whether he had just put them to sleep.

It is about holding you base and winning undecided voters, Warren certainly holds the base, and she is charismatic enough to win quite a number of undecideds even if you don't like her. Tim Kaine had the base leaving because he was a boring establishment pick, and he didn't win over independents because he was a boring guy with little name recognition and even less charisma. I have socks with more charisma than Tim Kaine.

You need to get people excited to go vote, Trump did that, Kaine and Hillary didn't. Warren would have.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

I wish I could buy an m224. Sadly it's impossible.

Mortar? It might not be an M224 but if you're serious I can point you in the right direction for a mortar of some sort.

You can already own both a grenade launcher and an M60 tho, what would you get nailed for?

Well, for starters you dont need to actually break the law to get put on the no-fly list, several watchlists, etc. And if you ever used a M60 in public the Spray would get you in massive trouble due to property damage and the inevitability of the spray of a Squad Automatic Weapon hitting a ton of innocents.

Good thing nobody is going to carry a pig in public lol

I just want to remove the ban on new MG's. Surely you can agree it's nonsense that I, a law abiding gun nut, can own a machine gun made on May 19th of 1986 but I can't own one made on May 20th of the same year.

[Mandicoria II]

Blamed? Trump won, that's all there is to it. You can blame the electoral collage, but it won't change who will become POTUS in January.

[Crockerland]

I just want to remove the ban on new MG's. Surely you can agree it's nonsense that I, a law abiding gun nut, can own a machine gun made on May 19th of 1986 but I can't own one made on May 20th of the same year.

Handheld MGs are trash anyways lmao.

[Uxupox]

I wish I could buy an m224. Sadly it's impossible.

Mortar? It might not be an M224 but if you're serious I can point you in the right direction for a mortar of some sort.

TG me.

[Luziyca]

When I brought up the possibility on the IRC, my regionmate was angry because he received IRL threats from endorsing Gary Johnson and voting for him, to the point he needed to be protected by campus security.

However, with the fact that Clinton won the popular vote but still lost because of the Electoral College, I think it's easier to blame the Electoral College. Not that I've really supported it at all.