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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

United States of Natan wrote:Hillary is nowhere near as bad as trump.

Subjective

If she had won, she'd appoint to the court a justice who'd protect rights.

Not all of them. She's pretty consistently been anti-2A and 4A

Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade,

I'm incredibly doubtful Roe v Wade is going anywhere.

Gun control will also be stopped

Good fucking riddance. Me and other people are already working hard on strengthening gun rights under the new administration.

as will gay marriage.

I'm also doubtful about this one because it would destroy any hope of re-election and badly hurt the GOP. But if it becomes an issue I'll fight against changes on that front.

Isle of Shadows wrote:

New Roma Republic wrote:

When you vote for third party, the third party gets more funding for the next election. (I got this small info from a video by gradeAunderA) So I don't think you threw away your vote. You are basically giving the third party a better chance next time of winning with the funding.

People might say, "This is the worst election ever! I should vote for the lesser evil!" Then... an even shitter election comes around... that would made me wish I voted for a 3rd party with similar views to me the previous election.

Honestly... (and I hope I don't get crucified by NS for this... I'm new here so I don't know if this place has any political leaning) I voted for Trump. However, I'm an Asian female... Why would I vote for someone who says all these sexist things? I would rather vote for someone who simply says sexist things than someone who defends rapists... and didn't divorce her husband for probably being a rapist. Why would I vote for someone who says all these ____ things? My answer would be similar to the previous one. I am more scared of someone who bites than barks. Why didn't I vote third party then? I'm a conservative. No one in the third party reflects my views at all... and I don't want to fund them either. If I DID find myself having a lot of similar views as the third party... I would vote them every single time... just in case a particularly shitty election happens in the future.

Tectonix wrote:It is possible you could blame them. After all, if the amount of votes Johnson received in Florida had went to HRC, she would've won. Same goes for Pennsylvania. Maybe not all of the blame, but a little, sure.

Socialist Nordia wrote:Washington resistance army, you honestly should have voted Hillary. Remember this? Your business would have had a huge boost in gun sales, just like back then. The fear of losing guns drives people to buy guns more than anything else.

Socialist Nordia wrote:Washington resistance army, you honestly should have voted Hillary. Remember this? Your business would have had a huge boost in gun sales, just like back then. The fear of losing guns drives people to buy guns more than anything else.

Galloism wrote:

Grand Britannia wrote:
^this

No one cares about the Electoral College until their candidate loses.

repeating the same false claim doesn't make it true.

There's evidence of nationstaters, like myself, complaining about the electoral college in 2014, when Obama was in the white house.

Novus America wrote:

Socialist Nordia wrote:We get it, people shouldn't matter states are the all-holy deciders of elections and such.

People do matter, because you choose your state's government. People do need to remember that president is not the only election that matters however.

Isle of Shadows wrote:

The Forsworn Knights wrote:

I've already addressed this similar question in a previous post.

Novus America wrote:

United States of Natan wrote:That point of view is incredibly dangerous. Hillary is nowhere near as bad as trump. And even so, this is about more than just the candidates. If she had won, she'd appoint to the court a justice who'd protect rights. Trump's appointee will only take them away. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, because trump's gonna get rid of that. Gun control will also be stopped, as will gay marriage. Basically everything we've worked for. And unfortunately, who knows how long it will be before we can get them back?

You do know he is AGAINST gun control? Not everyone has the same priorities as you. And gay marriage will not be stopped, at most be sent back to the states, where most states will still have it.

Crimiea wrote:Gary Johnson, the man who wanted to dismantle the EPA, FDA, and the Board of Education has a support base that'll otherwise vote Democrat. It's their fault.

United States of Natan wrote:

Novus America wrote:
You do know he is AGAINST gun control? Not everyone has the same priorities as you. And gay marriage will not be stopped, at most be sent back to the states, where most states will still have it.

Regardless, all the ideals that liberals champion will go down the drain under trump, and his congress and court. So Liberals and progressives who voted against Hillary because they falsely equated her with donald trump have themselves to blame for this.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't support a third party candidate if you want. Of course you can. But what I am saying is that there is a time and a place, and when we run the risk of progress being halted, that isn't the time or the place. Yes, you may not like Hillary. But stop equating her to Donald Trump. She's nowhere near as bad as him. She would've protected most of the values that liberals and progressives hold dear, particularly with her supreme court pick. Again, this isn't only about the candidate. this is about progress and liberalism. And now those are all about to be stopped and reversed for 4 years because a few liberals couldn't see the bigger picture.

New haven america wrote:While it did hurt, I don't think they're mainly to blame. The system, former Bernie or Bust voters, the Democratic Party's internal drama, Komy, etc... all had a hand in Trump's win.

I personally place most of my blame on the EC, it's an unneeded system that has lead to the loser of the Popular Vote (You know, the part that should matter) to win multiple times. (Trump is currently the 5th person to get away with this)

The Forsworn Knights wrote:

Isle of Shadows wrote:When you vote for third party, the third party gets more funding for the next election. (I got this small info from a video by gradeAunderA) So I don't think you threw away your vote. You are basically giving the third party a better chance next time of winning with the funding.

People might say, "This is the worst election ever! I should vote for the lesser evil!" Then... an even shitter election comes around... that would made me wish I voted for a 3rd party with similar views to me the previous election.

Honestly... (and I hope I don't get crucified by NS for this... I'm new here so I don't know if this place has any political leaning) I voted for Trump. However, I'm an Asian female... Why would I vote for someone who says all these sexist things? I would rather vote for someone who simply says sexist things than someone who defends rapists... and didn't divorce her husband for probably being a rapist. Why would I vote for someone who says all these ____ things? My answer would be similar to the previous one. I am more scared of someone who bites than barks. Why didn't I vote third party then? I'm a conservative. No one in the third party reflects my views at all... and I don't want to fund them either. If I DID find myself having a lot of similar views as the third party... I would vote them every single time... just in case a particularly shitty election happens in the future.

So, by your logic a man who personally sexually assaults people was the better option?

United States of Natan wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't necessarily see Trump as even worse than her. Really they're about on the same level of shitiness for me personally, they both have a few good points and a whole lot of bad points.

That point of view is incredibly dangerous. Hillary is nowhere near as bad as trump. And even so, this is about more than just the candidates. If she had won, she'd appoint to the court a justice who'd protect rights. Trump's appointee will only take them away. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, because trump's gonna get rid of that. Gun control will also be stopped, as will gay marriage. Basically everything we've worked for. And unfortunately, who knows how long it will be before we can get them back?

Ethel mermania wrote:

The Forsworn Knights wrote:So, by your logic a man who personally sexually assaults people was the better option?

How do you inpersonally sexually assault someone?

Besides it's wasnt a criminal trial bUT civil one, and it was dropped for lack of evidence. So no he did not rape anyone. So yes he is a far better choice than someone who would take a false rape accusation and run with it

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald ... e-lawsuit/

Free Missouri wrote:

New haven america wrote:While it did hurt, I don't think they're mainly to blame. The system, former Bernie or Bust voters, the Democratic Party's internal drama, Komy, etc... all had a hand in Trump's win.

I personally place most of my blame on the EC, it's an unneeded system that has lead to the loser of the Popular Vote (You know, the part that should matter) to win multiple times. (Trump is currently the 5th person to get away with this)

Sorry, I don't quite like the idea of a handful (100-150ish) of urban areas being able to basically force us to accept a permanent democratic presidency because they can get a plurality.

I sure as hell don't want a Plurality system set up. I'll fight you to the death to avoid that.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Crimiea wrote:Gary Johnson, the man who wanted to dismantle the EPA, FDA, and the Board of Education has a support base that'll otherwise vote Democrat. It's their fault.

Am Johnson voter, would not have voted Democrat this year.

United States of Natan wrote:Regardless, all the ideals that liberals champion will go down the drain under trump, and his congress and court. So Liberals and progressives who voted against Hillary because they falsely equated her with donald trump have themselves to blame for this.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't support a third party candidate if you want. Of course you can. But what I am saying is that there is a time and a place, and when we run the risk of progress being halted, that isn't the time or the place. Yes, you may not like Hillary. But stop equating her to Donald Trump. She's nowhere near as bad as him. She would've protected most of the values that liberals and progressives hold dear, particularly with her supreme court pick. Again, this isn't only about the candidate. this is about progress and liberalism. And now those are all about to be stopped and reversed for 4 years because a few liberals couldn't see the bigger picture.

You're assuming we're all liberals and progressives.

Elwher wrote:

United States of Natan wrote:That point of view is incredibly dangerous. Hillary is nowhere near as bad as trump. And even so, this is about more than just the candidates. If she had won, she'd appoint to the court a justice who'd protect rights. Trump's appointee will only take them away. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, because trump's gonna get rid of that. Gun control will also be stopped, as will gay marriage. Basically everything we've worked for. And unfortunately, who knows how long it will be before we can get them back?

Ms. Clinton's appointee would have protected rights while adding gun control? In what illogical universe are those two statements compatible?

The Forsworn Knights wrote:

Isle of Shadows wrote:I've already addressed this similar question in a previous post.

Once again.
>Woman whose husband was a manwhore who certainly went too far in his manwhorishness, but who was prolly not a rapist
VS
>Guy who personally sexually assaulted individuals, then brushed the confession off as 'Locker Room banter' (Which as a guy who has been in a lot of locker rooms, is bull.), all the while saying that 35 years old is 'checkout' for wives, said that he would in fact refer to his daughter as a 'piece of ass'.