Should 3rd Party Voters be blamed for the Trump Victory?

[The Forsworn Knights]

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

[Isle of Shadows]

The Forsworn Knights

> Woman whose husband, an old friend of Jeff, who certainly sexually harassed Paula Jones and went too far in his manwhorishness. Actions which lead to him being the second president in US history to be impeached... Although, at one point he left his secret service to hang out with his good friend at the time, Jeff, on an airplane.

VS

>Guy who personally sexually assaulted individuals, then brushed the confession off as 'Locker Room banter' (Which as a guy who has been in a lot of locker rooms, is bull.), all the while saying that 35 years old is 'checkout' for wives, said that he would in fact refer to his daughter as a 'piece of ass'.

Yeah. Maybe you are right. Maybe Hillary isn't so bad, since she has a husband that values his friends so much even to leave the secret service behind. That trust and friendship is #goals...

Oh well. I am a belligerent Orangutan supporter after all... : (

[IFailedAtLife]

Even if the candidates are both bad, one is always worse. You might have to think about it for a while, but there will definitely be someone worse. It's the lesser of two evils. Although, in this case, Trump was OBVIOUSLY worse. There is no doubting that. Voting third party is basically like not voting at all, both throwing away your vote.

[The Forsworn Knights]

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

WRA wants to make it perfectly legal to acquire such a weapon with a heavy tax and some paperwork.

[Galloism]

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

Yes, and it would be literally the only representation a large portion of the country would get if we were to move to a total nationwide popular vote.

As opposed to right now, where it's the only representation an even larger portion of the country gets.

[Trotza]

There are plenty of powerful bombs that can be made without military equipment. Like the one used in the Oklahoma City bombing.

True, but do you really want to make it easy and just directly sell civilians Napalm, C4, and hellfires.
You know, because the second amendment.

I never said that, I was just pointing out that as far as showing how all modern military equipment surpasses any possible civilian available armament, the comparison was a little moot.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

Not that hard

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

[IFailedAtLife]

Yes, and it would be literally the only representation a large portion of the country would get if we were to move to a total nationwide popular vote.

As opposed to right now, where it's the only representation an even larger portion of the country gets.

how?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Gary Johnson, the man who wanted to dismantle the EPA, FDA, and the Board of Education has a support base that'll otherwise vote Democrat. It's their fault.

Not even close. I'm registered as a Republican, and I voted for Gary Johnson. If the only choices were Trump or Hillary, I would have abstained from voting. If a gun was held to my head and I was FORCED to vote for either Trump or Hillary, it would have been Trump.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Nobody should blamed for Hillary's loss except herself. She went up against arguably the most flawed candidate in history and blew it.

Agreed. All she needed to do was actually adopt populist positions, make actual progressives on the left top people in her campaign (Elizabeth Warren as VP instead of that boring establishment puppet Tim Kaine) and attack Trump on his many actual issues, like his blatant tax dodging, his suggesting that they should take out the families of terrorists and that he would bring back worse than torture, even if it didn't work, but instead she went with "I'm a woman".

This is how you bungle an election.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

Sounds cumbersome.

[Costa Fierro]

Clinton supporters blaming others doesn't surprise me in the least, because the majority of them are too stubborn or too arrogant to admit that they fucked up majorly. There was arrogance on the assumption that Clinton was guaranteed a victory because she was a woman and she was against Trump, who is literally a spray tanned scrotum. There was arrogance in the assumption that all the blacks, Latinos, all the progressives would come out and vote in favour of Clinton when they didn't. There was arrogance in writing off the Rust Belt states in the Midwest and telling them that their concerns about the future and their struggles didn't matter because they were white rural Americans and didn't have the same kind of struggles as urban black or Latino families. There was arrogance in the social, political and intellectual elitism that Clinton was the better candidate because she was a woman. And that elitism, the idea that you are an inherently better person because you are an American progressive, is what created that arrogance and that arrogance is what lost the election for Clinton. They chose someone who cared little about the plight of Middle America and about those working class people who want work but can't find any because there is none. How can you vote for someone who represents a segment of society that says that you can't be struggling to put food on the table because you're white? I doubt these people could walk up to an out of work coal miner in Virginia or Pennsylvania and openly tell them to shut up because others have it worse when he can't feed his family and is facing foreclosure on his home.

Progressive America has no one but themselves to blame.

[Uxupox]

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

Not that hard

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

You have a point. I've never heard of somebody using an M203 for robbing banks or committing murder. Besides. Who wants to carry that trash.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

Why would you think slaughtering innocent bystanders while protecting yourself from a robber would be legal?

[The Forsworn Knights]

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

Not that hard

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

Now, now WRA- you said I could. And if I have the right to carry around a freaking machine gun with a grenade launcher, you are damn right someone is going to take you up on that offer and carry it everywhere.

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

[Galloism]

As opposed to right now, where it's the only representation an even larger portion of the country gets.

how?

I define largeness by people, as the government is meant to represent the people, not the dirt.

[Trotza]

Even if the candidates are both bad, one is always worse. You might have to think about it for a while, but there will definitely be someone worse. It's the lesser of two evils. Although, in this case, Trump was OBVIOUSLY worse. There is no doubting that. Voting third party is basically like not voting at all, both throwing away your vote.

It's these kinds of attitudes (and our inability to adopt the alternative vote system) that preserve the two party diarchy in this country and prevent the advances of third parties. Fear of the other is used by both sides to keep those who lean towards them in line, and leads to these sort of "for the lesser of two evils" elections.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Now, tell me why and how the everfricken hell I as a civilian could need to blow up a building while spraying a gigantic machine gun into a room filled with civilians just because a guy is robbing Hot Topic? Why should I be able to use a rocket launcher, or worse yet- armor piercing rounds in a suburban area just because some guy broke into my house?

Why would you think slaughtering innocent bystanders while protecting yourself from a robber would be legal?

What the heck else would you expect to possibly happen if you, as WRA wants to do- make it entirely legal for someone to (if they so choose) carry weapons that are designed specifically to clear an entire room and everything behind it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You have a point. I've never heard of somebody using an M203 for robbing banks or committing murder. Besides. Who wants to carry that trash.

hey now

don't be calling M203s trash m, dems fightin words

Not that hard



Well nobody is going to carry a machine gun and grenade launcher for self defense lol, these items are quite literally never used in crime despite already being available.

Plus I need them for my militia duties :^)

Now, now WRA- you said I could. And if I have the right to carry around a freaking machine gun with a grenade launcher, you are damn right someone is going to take you up on that offer and carry it everywhere.

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

The well regulated militia is actually every male from the ages of 17-45(?), so sayeth United States law

These things are already available for purchase, nobody does it. All I want to change is the removal of the machine gun ban that states you can't own automatic weapons made after a certain date because reasons.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

National Guard didn't even exist when they wrote the Second Amendment. Hence the usage of 'militia' as opposed to 'National Guard'.
Not to mention assigning it as a 'right of the people' as opposed to a 'right of the National Guard'.

[Uxupox]

Why would you think slaughtering innocent bystanders while protecting yourself from a robber would be legal?

What the heck else would you expect to possibly happen if you, as WRA wants to do- make it entirely legal for someone to (if they so choose) carry weapons that are designed specifically to clear an entire room and everything behind it.

Hold off the last time a "machine gun" was used to kill somebody here in the states that was legally owned was like 40 years ago and that probably was during the drug wars in Miami.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Why would you think slaughtering innocent bystanders while protecting yourself from a robber would be legal?

What the heck else would you expect to possibly happen if you, as WRA wants to do- make it entirely legal for someone to (if they so choose) carry weapons that are designed specifically to clear an entire room and everything behind it.

I expect people to be held accountable for their actions.

[Ochea]

Nobody should blamed for Hillary's loss except herself. She went up against arguably the most flawed candidate in history and blew it.

Agreed. All she needed to do was actually adopt populist positions, make actual progressives on the left top people in her campaign (Elizabeth Warren as VP instead of that boring establishment puppet Tim Kaine) and attack Trump on his many actual issues, like his blatant tax dodging, his suggesting that they should take out the families of terrorists and that he would bring back worse than torture, even if it didn't work, but instead she went with "I'm a woman".

This is how you bungle an election.

Yes. If Clinton wanted to win, she should have made better arguements against Trump, and should not have gotten involved in a scandal and then lied about it.

I think the blame rests on Clinton and the Democrats - they should have chosen a better candidate.

[Crockerland]

Also, you do know that by 'Well regulated militia' they meant the National Guard units sworn to every state governor rather than the president, right?

Completely irrelevant.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What the heck else would you expect to possibly happen if you, as WRA wants to do- make it entirely legal for someone to (if they so choose) carry weapons that are designed specifically to clear an entire room and everything behind it.

Hold off the last time a "machine gun" was used to kill somebody here in the states that was legally owned was like 40 years ago and that probably was during the drug wars in Miami.

It was a corrupt cop killing an informant with a PD owned gun (M-11) in 1988.