Should 3rd Party Voters be blamed for the Trump Victory?

[Diopolis]

No. I would suspect that on balance third party candidates took about as much support from Trump as from Hillary(because, let's face it, they're both really terrible candidates).
The elites who screwed over rural America and then blamed them for it are really to blame. Next, the republican party, for ignoring their base. Then the democrats for nominating the most establishment candidate they could come up with at a time when trust in the establishment is at an all time low. Then the founding fathers, for being stupid enough to make us a democracy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes.



You're making too much sense Goofballs, stahp

If it helps, my oldest kid is currently taking a shower because I dumped pudding down the back of his shirt.

Man that's just a dick move

[Novus America]

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Most military grade weapons are already de facto banned.

[Crockerland]

I've already addressed this similar question in a previous post.

Once again.
>Woman whose husband was a manwhore who certainly went too far in his manwhorishness, but who was prolly not a rapist
VS
>Guy who personally sexually assaulted individuals, then brushed the confession off as 'Locker Room banter' (Which as a guy who has been in a lot of locker rooms, is bull.), all the while saying that 35 years old is 'checkout' for wives, said that he would in fact refer to his daughter as a 'piece of ass'.

Trump hasn't directly caused any murders though, so that's something.

Regardless, all the ideals that liberals champion will go down the drain under trump, and his congress and court.

Several anti-Liberal democratic party institutions like illiberal Affirmative Action (new Jim Crow laws) and idiotic anti-Nuclear fearmongering will be done away with under Trump as well.

So Liberals and progressives who voted against Hillary because they falsely equated her with donald trump have themselves to blame for this.

It is pretty ridiculous to equate Hillary and president Trump. Trump has several idiotic policies but is honest about them, while Hillary says a lot of things that sound good but is an unreliable liar who's promises would most likely not have been kept.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't support a third party candidate if you want. Of course you can.

I know I don't support the GOP or Democrat parties, but I would never vote for any third party under our FPtP system.

But what I am saying is that there is a time and a place,

In a country with a single-transferable vote system on election day.

and when we run the risk of progress being halted, that isn't the time or the place.

Progress towards having more criminals as presidents?

Yes, you may not like Hillary.

It's astounding that anyone does, she is indefensible, wikileaks has proved beyond any shadow of doubt that she is a criminal.

But stop equating her to Donald Trump. She's nowhere near as bad as him. She would've protected most of the values that liberals and progressives hold dear,

100% wrong.

particularly with her supreme court pick.

Who do you think she would have appointed?

Again, this isn't only about the candidate. this is about progress and liberalism.

"progress"
What exactly is it you want to progress towards?

And now those are all about to be stopped and reversed for 4 years because a few liberals couldn't see the bigger picture.

Hillary is a dangerous liar and could not be trusted to advance Liberalism at all.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

If it helps, my oldest kid is currently taking a shower because I dumped pudding down the back of his shirt.

Man that's just a dick move

I'm teaching him an important lesson in how to be aware of his surroundings.

[The Emerald Legion]

Happened to Gore and it happened now, and it will probably happen in the future. The system is broken but no one is going to fix it, that's the way it's going to be.

"Sorry dems, your votes don't matter and now we're locked into the presidency because the electoral college skews our way and we're also locked into congress because we gerrymandered the hell out of everything and your vote doesn't really matter anymore, but just deal with it, too bad for you."

Would it be any better to tell 90% of the country to bend over backwards for, and take whatever a handful of cities wants?

[Galloism]

"Sorry dems, your votes don't matter and now we're locked into the presidency because the electoral college skews our way and we're also locked into congress because we gerrymandered the hell out of everything and your vote doesn't really matter anymore, but just deal with it, too bad for you."

Would it be any better to tell 90% of the country to bend over backwards for, and take whatever a handful of cities wants?

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

[Novoslavya]

Then again:
>sometimes odd billionaire who sometimes goes too far in his hunt for votes
VS
>woman who gets massive funds from countries where human rights are an abstract noun, who was involved in the US policy to destroy functioning countries, who proposed rigging the elections held in the area of Palestine, who, as it seems, defended a child-rapist whom she knew was guilty, who is monopolized the media in her favour during the election (from demonizing Trump to giving her debate questions before debates and publishing things only she approved of)

The most horrible thing about Clinton supporters is that they either don't want to know this or they know and don't care.

You seem to be disregarding all of the women who are accusing trump of sexual assault, oh and the trump university scam. Oh, and his foundation, which illegally donated money to AG of Florida Pam Bondi (who, by the way, appears to be a florida elector now), and paid for a portrait of trump. A foundation he barely donates too, by the way. Oh, and all his tax fraud. Oh, and let's not forget how he allegedly raped a 13 year old girl.

And the Clintons allegedly cover a child trafficking racket...

So, are you really comparing manipulating the population, murdering people, destroying and impoverishing nations, supporting nations which murder people who don't follow a vile religious law, to Trump's business scams and alleged things?

[The Forsworn Knights]

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Why not? The colonial citizens had military grade weapons, in fact, many of them had weapons superior to military grade of the times.

Muskets couldnt clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why not? The colonial citizens had military grade weapons, in fact, many of them had weapons superior to military grade of the times.

Muskets couldnt clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Would it be any better to tell 90% of the country to bend over backwards for, and take whatever a handful of cities wants?

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

With most of its legislative power usurped or rendered increasingly irrelevant by an ever-expanding Imperial Presidency folks want to become a vehicle of urban interests, yes.
So entreaties on this point are rather empty.

[New Socialist South Africa]

No. And this election should not discourage people from voting outside the two-party system. A more diverse political spectrum is way overdue in American politics.

If we want a more diverse political spectrum, we need structural change to our voting system.

The mathematical backing of our system results in nothing else but a two party system.

Sadly I doubt that will happen anytime soon, if ever. That would require a Democratic party with some actual backbone.

What really needs to happen is that actual leftists and populists need to go out and win over the Democratic party, and they need to stop running establishment politicians. Then they will actually get people to vote for them, and not have them recoiling from how fake they seem and all their connections to Wall Street an the like.

Trump won this because he seemed like the more genuine, charismatic populist candidate for real change, even though I think he is none of those.

Hillary lost because she came across as a fake, corrupt, career politician who ran with a boring VP and snubbed progressives, rather than inspiring them to go out and vote, even though I think she would be a million times better than Trump. But that is just life I guess.

[Free Missouri]

Would it be any better to tell 90% of the country to bend over backwards for, and take whatever a handful of cities wants?

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

Except for the fact that total bullshit like the "Waters of the US" Rule as well as the unconstitutional executive orders that have increasing damaged our republic have done their best to consolidate executive power into executive agencies.

[Trotza]

Why not? The colonial citizens had military grade weapons, in fact, many of them had weapons superior to military grade of the times.

Muskets couldnt clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

There are plenty of powerful bombs that can be made without military equipment. Like the one used in the Oklahoma City bombing.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Muskets couldnt clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

[Arumbia67]

Nobody should blamed for Hillary's loss except herself. She went up against arguably the most flawed candidate in history and blew it.

[Vassenor]

I'm more inclined to blame the Bernie or Bust crowd who voted third specifically to be spoilers.

[Liriena]

No. And this election should not discourage people from voting outside the two-party system. A more diverse political spectrum is way overdue in American politics.

If we want a more diverse political spectrum, we need structural change to our voting system.

The mathematical backing of our system results in nothing else but a two party system.

Indeed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

The proper paperwork and a $200 tax on both the machine gun and grenade launcher, yes.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Muskets couldnt clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

There are plenty of powerful bombs that can be made without military equipment. Like the one used in the Oklahoma City bombing.

True, but do you really want to make it easy and just directly sell civilians Napalm, C4, and hellfires.
You know, because the second amendment.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

So, what you are saying is...

I always find it amusing the folks least qualified to summarize federal firearms laws or the usages of items covered therein have such a tendency to take it upon themselves to attempt to do so.

[The Emerald Legion]

Would it be any better to tell 90% of the country to bend over backwards for, and take whatever a handful of cities wants?

You know, the senate DOES still continue to exist.

Yes, and it would be literally the only representation a large portion of the country would get if we were to move to a total nationwide popular vote.

[Uxupox]

Bombs and other such devices are legal, albeit with some paperwork.

The only military grade weapons you can't own at the federal level are machine guns made after May 19th, 1986 and there's suddenly a lot of momentum to change this.

So, what you are saying is that if I do the right paperwork I should be able to get a M60 with a mounted grenade Launcher so that I can carry it around in case some guy decides to rob the book store I happen to be in with my big honkin gun?

Good luck getting a mounted grenade launcher without getting branded as a terrorist.

[Sareva]

Why not? The colonial citizens had military grade weapons, in fact, many of them had weapons superior to military grade of the times.

Muskets couldn't clear an entire crowd though. A military grade firearm can. That is before you get into bombs.

As is military technology of the time. Humans are very good at creating new ways to kill each other.

[Cream Sauce]

I voted third party and am not ashamed of it. I resolved not to vote for either Hillary or Trump for my own reasons. I hoped Gary Johnson could have at least hit 5% nationally, but it was not to be. Had I not voted Johnson I would have voted Trump. Maybe third party votes DID hurt Hillary, but not all third party voters would have necessarily voted for Hillary. Blaming third party voters is simply a result of being angry; many people are just looking for SOMETHING, ANYTHING to blame.