Should 3rd Party Voters be blamed for the Trump Victory?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, believe it or not, people have a right to their own safety and security.

but apparently we don't have gun rights, lol

[Islamic Empire of Europe and Arabia]

Someone doesn't understand the electoral college...

[The Forsworn Knights]

Once again.
>Woman whose husband was a manwhore who certainly went too far in his manwhorishness, but who was prolly not a rapist
VS
>Guy who personally sexually assaulted individuals, then brushed the confession off as 'Locker Room banter' (Which as a guy who has been in a lot of locker rooms, is bull.), all the while saying that 35 years old is 'checkout' for wives, said that he would in fact refer to his daughter as a 'piece of ass'.

Then again:
>sometimes odd billionaire who sometimes goes too far in his hunt for votes
VS
>woman who gets massive funds from countries where human rights are an abstract noun, who was involved in the US policy to destroy functioning countries, who proposed rigging the elections held in the area of Palestine, who, as it seems, defended a child-rapist whom she knew was guilty, who is monopolized the media in her favour during the election (from demonizing Trump to giving her debate questions before debates and publishing things only she approved of)

The most horrible thing about Clinton supporters is that they either don't want to know this or they know and don't care.

You do know that as a lawyer she had a legal obligation to defend the guy, right? The prosecution has to do what they think is right, but the defense absolutely has to defend.

[Trotza]

Gary Johnson, the man who wanted to dismantle the EPA, FDA, and the Board of Education has a support base that'll otherwise vote Democrat. It's their fault.

The amount of people that Clinton failed to win over by barely trying to even appeal to them is far greater than the number of Gary Johnson voters who might have *potentially* considered voting for her had he (or any libertarian candidate) not run.

[United States of Natan]

Once again.
>Woman whose husband was a manwhore who certainly went too far in his manwhorishness, but who was prolly not a rapist
VS
>Guy who personally sexually assaulted individuals, then brushed the confession off as 'Locker Room banter' (Which as a guy who has been in a lot of locker rooms, is bull.), all the while saying that 35 years old is 'checkout' for wives, said that he would in fact refer to his daughter as a 'piece of ass'.

Then again:
>sometimes odd billionaire who sometimes goes too far in his hunt for votes
VS
>woman who gets massive funds from countries where human rights are an abstract noun, who was involved in the US policy to destroy functioning countries, who proposed rigging the elections held in the area of Palestine, who, as it seems, defended a child-rapist whom she knew was guilty, who is monopolized the media in her favour during the election (from demonizing Trump to giving her debate questions before debates and publishing things only she approved of)

The most horrible thing about Clinton supporters is that they either don't want to know this or they know and don't care.

You seem to be disregarding all of the women who are accusing trump of sexual assault, oh and the trump university scam. Oh, and his foundation, which illegally donated money to AG of Florida Pam Bondi (who, by the way, appears to be a florida elector now), and paid for a portrait of trump. A foundation he barely donates too, by the way. Oh, and all his tax fraud. Oh, and let's not forget how he allegedly raped a 13 year old girl.

[Elwher]

Ms. Clinton's appointee would have protected rights while adding gun control? In what illogical universe are those two statements compatible?

Yes, believe it or not, people have a right to their own safety and security.

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

[Elwher]

You seem to be disregarding all of the women who are accusing trump of sexual assault, oh and the trump university scam. Oh, and his foundation, which illegally donated money to AG of Florida Pam Bondi (who, by the way, appears to be a florida elector now), and paid for a portrait of trump. A foundation he barely donates too, by the way. Oh, and all his tax fraud. Oh, and let's not forget how he allegedly raped a 13 year old girl.

And how she allegedly had Vince Foster murdered? Allegations are a long way from indictment, yet alone convictions.

[The Lone Alliance]

Yes, believe it or not, people have a right to their own safety and security.

Can't find that in the constitution. Where does it say that?

[Free Missouri]

Sorry, I don't quite like the idea of a handful (100-150ish) of urban areas being able to basically force us to accept a permanent democratic presidency because they can get a plurality.

I sure as hell don't want a Plurality system set up. I'll fight you to the death to avoid that.

That's not what I want either. Require an outright majority, but have instant runoff. And why are you rural voters so entitled that you demand your votes be worth more than ours?

Because if our voices aren't heard (and once the population becomes sufficiently urbanized, our voices WILL NOT be heard), then we stand a lot to lose from a heavy increase in regulations, especially when it comes to trying to stifle coal without increasing support for nuclear (since many of us live in areas that won't sustain wind or solar.)

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Yes, believe it or not, people have a right to their own safety and security.

Can't find that in the constitution. Where does it say that?

The Constitution's purpose is not to enumerate rights. It's to enumerate powers and restriction on government.

[United States of Natan]

Yes, believe it or not, people have a right to their own safety and security.

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

[Free Missouri]

Can't find that in the constitution. Where does it say that?

The Constitution's purpose is not to enumerate rights. It's to enumerate powers and restriction on government.

I believe his/her point is that the Constitution DOES in fact, GUARANTEE, that, "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

[Galloism]

repeating the same false claim doesn't make it true.

There's evidence of nationstaters, like myself, complaining about the electoral college in 2014, when Obama was in the white house.

I wasn't referring to just this website or the internet.

No, but when you say "no one", that would seem to exclude us as well, all of us being people.

Presumably.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Yes.

Can't find that in the constitution. Where does it say that?

The Constitution's purpose is not to enumerate rights. It's to enumerate powers and restriction on government.

You're making too much sense Goofballs, stahp

[United States of Natan]

You seem to be disregarding all of the women who are accusing trump of sexual assault, oh and the trump university scam. Oh, and his foundation, which illegally donated money to AG of Florida Pam Bondi (who, by the way, appears to be a florida elector now), and paid for a portrait of trump. A foundation he barely donates too, by the way. Oh, and all his tax fraud. Oh, and let's not forget how he allegedly raped a 13 year old girl.

And how she allegedly had Vince Foster murdered? Allegations are a long way from indictment, yet alone convictions.

Oh, and where's your evidence? because evidence exists of Trump's illegal activities.

[Free Missouri]

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

An AR-15 is not military grade. and if that's your standard, then I wouldn't be able to own the best damn hunting rifle in the world, the most popular rifle in the world, the Remington 700, because guess what, it IS the military's standard issue sniper rifle and has been since the '60s.

[New Socialist South Africa]

To answer the initial question, no, they shouldn't be.

If you want them to vote for you, go inspire them to vote for you and give them something they want, or at least make a good enough case that you are the lesser of two evils. Use that tonne of money you got from all your corporate backers to play Donald Trump talking about taking out the families of terrorists non stop, about him saying the US should torture even if it doesn't work, about him saying he was "smart"to dodge taxes non-stop, talk about how if he gets to appoint supreme court judges they could overturn gay marriage and possibly even Roe vs Wade. Talk about what a loser he is and how he bungled business after business.

And on the positive side, say that you will make Bernie Sanders the new Majority leader in the senate if you win it, and otherwise that you'll make him the minority leader. Make Elizabeth Warren your VP, not that boring establishment puppet Tim Kaine. Promise to fight for free public college tuition, at least for those who can't afford it otherwise. Promise voters that you will not allow TPP to pass, will fight to get rid of it if it does. Fight to get money out of politics, rather than just raking in all the money from donors. Give people something to vote for, not just something to vote against.

If Trump had lost because Evan McMullin had somehow split the Republicans so much that Hillary won Utah and it had been that close a race, or that Gary Johnson had split the Republican vote in Florida and it had been close enough to matter, it would be the Republicans complaining about this and Democrats celebrating.

If you don't like people voting third party then go actually win them over or stop pretending you like democracy.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

The Constitution's purpose is not to enumerate rights. It's to enumerate powers and restriction on government.

I believe his/her point is that the Constitution DOES in fact, GUARANTEE, that, "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

It does indeed. Many of the Founders considered it a redundant piece of text, but all things considered, it's a good thing it's there.

[Elwher]

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Why not? The colonial citizens had military grade weapons, in fact, many of them had weapons superior to military grade of the times.

[Elwher]

And how she allegedly had Vince Foster murdered? Allegations are a long way from indictment, yet alone convictions.

Oh, and where's your evidence? because evidence exists of Trump's illegal activities.

In the same files as your evidence about his rape of the 13 year old girl.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Yes.

The Constitution's purpose is not to enumerate rights. It's to enumerate powers and restriction on government.

You're making too much sense Goofballs, stahp

If it helps, my oldest kid is currently taking a shower because I dumped pudding down the back of his shirt.

[Liriena]

No. And this election should not discourage people from voting outside the two-party system. A more diverse political spectrum is way overdue in American politics.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

And they have a right to take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect that safety and security. Gun control is taking away the existing right of gun owners, exactly what the original post accused Trump of wanting to do.

Oh, and that means that you should be allowed to own a military grade weapon?

Yep.

[Sareva]

Nearly as bad as the people on social media saying it's "all white people's fault for Trump!" and not realizing that practically everyone messed up and nobody wants to take responsibility for it so they blame others for it. I voted Third-Party for the same reason as the OP. Clinton is not entitled to my vote, and neither is Trump. Hell, most of my family voted Trump, but I still love them. It's only the second day after the election! He's not even inaugurated yet and people are flipping out over something that hasn't happened yet and may possibly not happen. Everyone can make their own choices in a democracy, that's the point of it.

[Galloism]

No. And this election should not discourage people from voting outside the two-party system. A more diverse political spectrum is way overdue in American politics.

If we want a more diverse political spectrum, we need structural change to our voting system.

The mathematical backing of our system results in nothing else but a two party system.