Californians Call to Secede from the US; "CalExit"

[Eol Sha]

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

It's almost as if surveys can be lied to just as easily as the Internet.

And with that, I consider this my closer. I figure I've had enough debating practice on this site to move on to something more real, once I figure out a way to do so. What better timing to quit than at 1776 posts?

1783 posts? 1865 posts? 1945 posts?

[Imperial Union of America]

If a majority of Californians want to secede, let them. We'll all be better off because of it.

[Shofercia]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

If a majority of Californians want to secede, let them. We'll all be better off because of it.

And if 97% of Californians do not want to secede?

[Imperial Union of America]

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

If a majority of Californians want to secede, let them. We'll all be better off because of it.

And if 97% of Californians do not want to secede?

Then they don't secede?

[Shofercia]

And if 97% of Californians do not want to secede?

Then they don't secede?

Yay! Honestly though, I cannot believe this is still a thread. There's no way this could actually happen. Unless Trump nukes Hollywood

[Washington Resistance Army]

Then they don't secede?

Yay! Honestly though, I cannot believe this is still a thread. There's no way this could actually happen. Unless Trump nukes Hollywood

We can only hope he does.

[Socialist Nordia]

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

If a majority of Californians want to secede, let them. We'll all be better off because of it.

And if 97% of Californians do not want to secede?

K. That's one policy he has.
Obama as a whole is remarkably popular

[Shofercia]

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

K. That's one policy he has.
Obama as a whole is remarkably popular

Obama's popular because he's a good speaker and a decent president. Which policies that are Obama's and popular, are being killed?

[Grand Britannia]

I find the current spike in popularity funny since he's about to leave.

[Socialist Nordia]

I find the current spike in popularity funny since he's about to leave.

People never appreciate what they have until it's gone

[Herador]

Then they don't secede?

Yay! Honestly though, I cannot believe this is still a thread. There's no way this could actually happen. Unless Trump nukes Hollywood

Do you mean because the US would never go for it, or because most of us don't want it?

Guess you can't stop a circlejerk once everyone gets pumping though.

[Galloism]

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

I watched a news bit on that last year. You know that when you replace "Obamacare" with "Affordable Care Act", its approval goes up like 15 points?

[Seraven]

Obamacare is unpopular: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1130.html

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 49%
Neutral: 12%
Net: -10%

I watched a news bit on that last year. You know that when you replace "Obamacare" with "Affordable Care Act", its approval goes up like 15 points?

Hmm, so what exactly the people of USA want? ACA or Obamacare?

[Galloism]

I watched a news bit on that last year. You know that when you replace "Obamacare" with "Affordable Care Act", its approval goes up like 15 points?

Hmm, so what exactly the people of USA want? ACA or Obamacare?

I'd say people don't know what things are or what they do, half the time.

Like everyone's praising Donald Trump promising to keep the prohibition on discrimination for preexisting conditions, but scrapping the rest. If you scrap the mandate, but leave the preexisting condition rules, there won't BE an insurance industry in 5 years.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Like everyone's praising Donald Trump promising to keep the prohibition on discrimination for preexisting conditions, but scrapping the rest. If you scrap the mandate, but leave the preexisting condition rules, there won't BE an insurance industry in 5 years.

Depends on how you implement the details. For example, when I got insurance through a previous employer, it didn't cover pre-existing conditions for the first six months of coverage. So it would cover me if I got his by a car, but not for my (hypothetical) horrible heart problems. I've forgotten the details, but there was some requirement for disclosure of pre-existing conditions, permission to check with previous doctors, and enthusiasic penalties for fraud, mostly of the "we can cancel your coverage and then sue your sickly ass off" variety.

But as to the topic: I'm always amused by secessionist movements citing a jursidiction's economy as though everything would remain precisely as it is when they were part of another country. Even with a peaceful separation, there's no reason to expect (for example) free trade and free movement of people as there was before.

In Cali's case, there's that little treaty about Colorado River water which I suspect would go *piff*, even if Congress agreed to let them leave. Demand for that water far exceeds supply, so why would the US give some to dirty hippie ferners?

So, what's SoCal's economy like without water?

[New Dros]

I fully support them leaving so we can sit back and watch them be reintegrated forcefully. It'd be beautiful having the might of the US military go against whiny liberals who scream when police touch them.

They honestly deserve it.

[Shofercia]

Yay! Honestly though, I cannot believe this is still a thread. There's no way this could actually happen. Unless Trump nukes Hollywood

Do you mean because the US would never go for it, or because most of us don't want it?

Guess you can't stop a circlejerk once everyone gets pumping though.

I mean that most of Californians don't want it. If an extreme majority of Californians wanted it, truly wanted it, we could just not work until the US gives us a Binding Independence Referendum. What's DC going to do, force us to go to work? But yeah, you're right. No matter how many times people say "an extreme majority of Californians are against it," the circle jerk will continue.

[Ifreann]

I fully support them leaving so we can sit back and watch them be reintegrated forcefully. It'd be beautiful having the might of the US military go against whiny liberals who scream when police touch them.

They honestly deserve it.

It's so cool how you want people you disagree with to suffer and die. I wish I could be as cool as you.

[Hurdergaryp]

I fully support them leaving so we can sit back and watch them be reintegrated forcefully. It'd be beautiful having the might of the US military go against whiny liberals who scream when police touch them.

They honestly deserve it.

It's so cool how you want people you disagree with to suffer and die. I wish I could be as cool as you.

And if you want to be ultracool, make sure the children are eradicated as well.

[Acheulian]

If Los Angeles wants to leave the USA we will gladly let them go their own way.


But not with Central or Northern California. Those people want to stay in the US for the most part. Only the illegal immigrant occupied south of the state centered around LA wants to secede.

[Alvecia]

If Los Angeles wants to leave the USA we will gladly let them go their own way.


But not with Central or Northern California. Those people want to stay in the US for the most part. Only the illegal immigrant occupied south of the state centered around LA wants to secede.

Are you implying that illegal immigrants are adding to the number of people wanting to secede?

[Mandicoria II]

I really couldn't care less lol.

[Herador]

If Los Angeles wants to leave the USA we will gladly let them go their own way.


But not with Central or Northern California. Those people want to stay in the US for the most part. Only the illegal immigrant occupied south of the state centered around LA wants to secede.

Are you implying that illegal immigrants are adding to the number of people wanting to secede?

If it helps, they're also so fucking wrong it caused me physical pain to just read their post.

[Shofercia]

If Los Angeles wants to leave the USA we will gladly let them go their own way.


But not with Central or Northern California. Those people want to stay in the US for the most part. Only the illegal immigrant occupied south of the state centered around LA wants to secede.

Is there a source available for that claim?

[Rio Cana]

I watched a news bit on that last year. You know that when you replace "Obamacare" with "Affordable Care Act", its approval goes up like 15 points?

Hmm, so what exactly the people of USA want? ACA or Obamacare?

You know you walked into this one.

The people of the US want "TLC" plan- Trump loving care health plan -