Californians Call to Secede from the US; "CalExit"

[Grand Britannia]

Or we could just join them! Most of the original 13 states with DC plus some of the others with most of the jobs and culture. We could even keep the name United States , lol. The leftovers could keep Donald and call themselves Trumpland.
No?

I like the way you think, but I would be stuck in Trumpland.

Curse you Florida!

bless florida

[Athenian Ethos]

I like the way you think, but I would be stuck in Trumpland.

Curse you Florida!

bless florida

Out out evil spirits! Florida needs exorcists like Mars needs women.

[Balkenreich]

Leave?

oh, California didnt see the absolute horror that was the CIVIL WAR?

[Athenian Ethos]

Leave?

oh, California didnt see the absolute horror that was the CIVIL WAR?

They preferred the gold rush. Different perspective prospector entirely.

[Shofercia]

Leave?

oh, California didnt see the absolute horror that was the CIVIL WAR?

Not really. The most violence we've seen here recently are the marches against fear and hate. Ohhh the irony

On a serious note, California didn't have much warfare on its soil. Bloods and Crips was about as bad as it got.

[Saiwania]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

[Socialist Nordia]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

[Shofercia]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

California can endure. Can Hollywood?

Also, weren't you a huge pro-Clinton advocate? What happened?

[Balkenreich]

Leave?

oh, California didnt see the absolute horror that was the CIVIL WAR?

Not really. The most violence we've seen here recently are the marches against fear and hate. Ohhh the irony

On a serious note, California didn't have much warfare on its soil. Bloods and Crips was about as bad as it got.

i want to change that.

[Shofercia]

Not really. The most violence we've seen here recently are the marches against fear and hate. Ohhh the irony

On a serious note, California didn't have much warfare on its soil. Bloods and Crips was about as bad as it got.

i want to change that.

You want war in California? I thought you loved America. You do know that we pretty much control the West Coast's economy, right?

[DARGLED]

Will not happen.

[Saiwania]

Also, weren't you a huge pro-Clinton advocate? What happened?

What happened was that the polls and predictions were so dead wrong this year. So much so, that I think it was a mistake to ever listen to them. I had a false sense of security that a Clinton victory was inevitable. Seems that Trump didn't hurt the down ballot races any either. From now on, I'm taking nothing as set in stone. It is just my luck to have voted for the loser in every US presidential election from 2008 onwards.

[Shofercia]

Also, weren't you a huge pro-Clinton advocate? What happened?

What happened was that the polls and predictions were so dead wrong this year. So much so, that I think it was a mistake to ever listen to them. I had a false sense of security that a Clinton victory was inevitable. Seems that Trump didn't hurt the down ballot races any either. From now on, I'm taking nothing as set in stone. It is just my luck to have voted for the loser in every US presidential election from 2008 onwards.

Wait, you mean to tell me that the media hypes sensationalism and ignores the facts when doing so would massively increase their ratings? Watson, I think you're on to something!

[Seraven]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

California can endure. Can Hollywood?

Also, weren't you a huge pro-Clinton advocate? What happened?

Well, Hollywood making bunch of right-wing movies sound like a modern interpretation of McCharty's Witch-Hunt policy's result.

What happened was that the polls and predictions were so dead wrong this year. So much so, that I think it was a mistake to ever listen to them. I had a false sense of security that a Clinton victory was inevitable. Seems that Trump didn't hurt the down ballot races any either. From now on, I'm taking nothing as set in stone. It is just my luck to have voted for the loser in every US presidential election from 2008 onwards.

Wait, you mean to tell me that the media hypes sensationalism and ignores the facts when doing so would massively increase their ratings? Watson, I think you're on to something!

I don't know if this is a smart sarcasm or a stupid sarcasm, sorry.

[Aethrys]

I like how the secessionists are pitching New California Republic as the name for their proposal. They have yet to formulate a policy for how to deal with the Brotherhood of Steel, however.

[Parsea]

>California secedes
>Takes their 55 electoral votes with them
>Democrats never win the White House, Senate or House again

Come to think of it, this isn't actually a bad motion.

[Shofercia]

>California secedes
>Takes their 55 electoral votes with them
>Democrats never win the White House, Senate or House again

Come to think of it, this isn't actually a bad motion.

California elected 34 Democrats and 19 Republicans to the 2008 Congress, adding 15 members to the Democrats. The Democrats had 257 members to the Republicans' 178. Furthermore, a popular Californian who is a war hero with a great economic plan, can still get California's 55 Electoral Votes. Democratic Hold on California has been decreasing lately, due to the rise of independents and the progressives leaving the Democrats. As for the Senate - really? 2 members? Really?

California can endure. Can Hollywood?

Also, weren't you a huge pro-Clinton advocate? What happened?

Well, Hollywood making bunch of right-wing movies sound like a modern interpretation of McCharty's Witch-Hunt policy's result.

Trump is starting Operation Shock and Awe against Hollywood

Wait, you mean to tell me that the media hypes sensationalism and ignores the facts when doing so would massively increase their ratings? Watson, I think you're on to something!

I don't know if this is a smart sarcasm or a stupid sarcasm, sorry.

It was neither. It was more of a Captain Obvious sarcasm. Sometimes, when the media narrative is strong and biased, we fail to realize something that's blatantly obvious, so we must be ever vigilant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

[Rio Cana]

The way to calm those that want Calexit is simple. Just get the neighboring states that provide electric power (CA. imports 33% of it from other states) and water supply to do a barter town embargo.

For those that have no idea, this is a barter town embargo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgq4w4dqKsU

[Lunalia]

The liberals cried and yelped no when Texas wanted to leave .......and now the liberals want to leave ? Oh the hypocrisy !

Hey, I signed the petition for Texas to secede, and I'm a liberal! Granted, I don't live in Texas. I think most of the people who signed the petition were liberals who did not live in Texas.

[Seraven]

The liberals cried and yelped no when Texas wanted to leave .......and now the liberals want to leave ? Oh the hypocrisy !

Hey, I signed the petition for Texas to secede, and I'm a liberal! Granted, I don't live in Texas. I think most of the people who signed the petition were liberals who did not live in Texas.

Although, there are points for them to try to give Texas independence, right?

[Boomhaueristan]

I'm fine with that, and take the shithole that is Ft.Irwin with them.

[Warcille]

Problem is California has the United States's largest economy and literally only 7 other nations in the world compete with it in GDP.

[Novorobo]

If the red states suffered under 8 years of Obama, California can stand to endure 4 years of Trump. What are the chances that Trump will get reelected, unless of course- he somehow governs well enough to get enough approval to win again?

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

It's almost as if surveys can be lied to just as easily as the Internet.

And with that, I consider this my closer. I figure I've had enough debating practice on this site to move on to something more real, once I figure out a way to do so. What better timing to quit than at 1776 posts?

[Geilinor]

We've learned from Obama's legacy being killed with a 55 percent approval rating that approval ratings somehow don't matter to elections.

It's almost as if surveys can be lied to just as easily as the Internet.

And with that, I consider this my closer. I figure I've had enough debating practice on this site to move on to something more real, once I figure out a way to do so. What better timing to quit than at 1776 posts?

Obama isn't running anymore, what incentive would people have to lie about their opinion of him?

[Spaceman Spliff]

It's almost as if surveys can be lied to just as easily as the Internet.

And with that, I consider this my closer. I figure I've had enough debating practice on this site to move on to something more real, once I figure out a way to do so. What better timing to quit than at 1776 posts?

Obama isn't running anymore, what incentive would people have to lie about their opinion of him?

Eebil leftists would attack them in the streets.