Californians Call to Secede from the US; "CalExit"

[Novorobo]

We should be talking about how to make this country better, not how to leave it.

And if the former fails, then what?

[Outer Sparta]

Suffix exit. Calexit, Texit, etc.

Why can't we go with style and "Czech Out"?

I think Brexit was a precedent for future secession movements.

[Novorobo]

The president won fair amd square. The people voted and Trump is now the president. Hilary acknowledged this, even bowing down to America's holy laws.
Don't be cry babies California. You will find ample welcome in Canada if all the liberals want to leave;)

We need all the liberals we can get, too, if we're to stop Leitch from winning...

[Valaran]

Well that's just silly, but it is not uncommon to have such reactions (anyone remember the voices for Texan secession?) after an election. Don't read too much into it, other than an expression of abject dismay.

[Galloism]

Bernie didn't have a mountain of baggage, and although he would have had trouble in the white house getting his agenda through (most of it wouldn't make it), he actually seemed to care about people.

His people... Not the other half of Americans. That's the issue, politicians care about their own supporters, and have zero issue with throwing their opponent's supporters under the bus.

You know, Bernie was all about the working class... you know, the very people that just threw Trump the election?

[Losconia]

I am personally for it I guess.
We live in modern times where a state secede legally. If the population, let's say 80% want to leave the union, what's in the federal governments right to deny them that? If they invade and militarily occupy California, the government would be condemned internationally.

Whether California would be better off or worse off is debatable. If they win independence we will definitely find out. It would be their own fault if the nation they make is a debt ridden shithole.

I personally think that the benefits out way the cons, but meh whatever.

[Geilinor]

His people... Not the other half of Americans. That's the issue, politicians care about their own supporters, and have zero issue with throwing their opponent's supporters under the bus.

You know, Bernie was all about the working class... you know, the very people that just threw Trump the election?

He was also a democratic socialist and the white working-class happens to not want socialism.

[Nochov]

There is precedence for US states wanting to secede. The one time it was actually attempted, civil war broke out and the result was that secession was not allowed. Even so, "We want to keep our economy" is a much better excuse for civil war than "We're grumpy because our preferred candidate lost", so the movement wouldn't get much support to begin with.

Still, as someone who isn't a yank, I'd love to watch them try. Let liberal blood be spilled.

[Libertalium]

I am personally for it I guess.
We live in modern times where a state secede legally. If the population, let's say 80% want to leave the union, what's in the federal governments right to deny them that? If they invade and militarily occupy California, the government would be condemned internationally.

Whether California would be better off or worse off is debatable. If they win independence we will definitely find out. It would be their own fault if the nation they make is a debt ridden shithole.

I personally think that the benefits out way the cons, but meh whatever.

It's a bad idea. Once one state gets to secede, others will follow suit. And some won't be as progressive as California.

[Telconi]

His people... Not the other half of Americans. That's the issue, politicians care about their own supporters, and have zero issue with throwing their opponent's supporters under the bus.

You know, Bernie was all about the working class... you know, the very people that just threw Trump the election?

I'm working class, and he wanted to screw me hard.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah, my whole world is crumbling

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

California has the death penalty again:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... 51269.html

[Jovian Socialist Republic]

If California leaves, it'll cripple the US economy. And the government knows this, so they'll probably want to take back California through sanctions or military force. Even if California becomes an independent republic and lives for less than a few hours, they'll still be forced to rejoin the US.

[Australian rePublic]

I hope they succeed. Then maybe we can have every state become their own country... Then they'll have a reason to get better flags.

If every state becomes its own nation, God help the landlock ones. Maybe the ones on the Great Lakes will be fine, I don't know, but the others...

[Losconia]

I am personally for it I guess.
We live in modern times where a state secede legally. If the population, let's say 80% want to leave the union, what's in the federal governments right to deny them that? If they invade and militarily occupy California, the government would be condemned internationally.

Whether California would be better off or worse off is debatable. If they win independence we will definitely find out. It would be their own fault if the nation they make is a debt ridden shithole.

I personally think that the benefits out way the cons, but meh whatever.

It's a bad idea. Once one state gets to secede, others will follow suit. And some won't be as progressive as California.

Indeed, it would be a Domino effect for sure. However other states can't exactly sustain themselves, especially those that give less to the government than they receive. However Red states out number blue states by a long shot, so the amount of States that may want to leave would be small, and how successful they would be is also debatable. I really doubt Red States would want to leave the union given they don't really have much of a reason to do so, I mean they have the President they wanted.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I hope they succeed. Then maybe we can have every state become their own country... Then they'll have a reason to get better flags.

If every state becomes its own nation, God help the landlock ones. Maybe the ones on the Great Lakes will be fine, I don't know, but the others...

*glances at Mongolian tapestry and bow*
Don't worry. We'll find a way

[Tectonix]

The president won fair amd square. The people voted and Trump is now the president. Hilary acknowledged this, even bowing down to America's holy laws.
Don't be cry babies California. You will find ample welcome in Canada if all the liberals want to leave;)

Uhh...
Hillary Clinton wins Popular Vote but loses Electoral Vote to Trump.

[Galloism]

You know, Bernie was all about the working class... you know, the very people that just threw Trump the election?

I'm working class, and he wanted to screw me hard.

You would only think that if you didn't understand his policies.

You can argue that they were pie in the sky nonsense if you want (you're wrong, but that's beside the topic of this thread), but the simple fact is the ones he managed to get through congress probably would have been the good ones. The president can't do it alone for Bernie's type of plans, he would need Congress.

And he's broadly more likable than Hillary will ever be.

[Xadufell]

Would have been better as "Cal-LEAVE-fornia."

California wont leave, even if they did they'd have serious reliance on the US.

[Losconia]

http://www.yescalifornia.org/

I am just going to leave this here of those that may or may not be interested.

[New Dukaine]

I want in.

[Australian rePublic]

If every state becomes its own nation, God help the landlock ones. Maybe the ones on the Great Lakes will be fine, I don't know, but the others...

*glances at Mongolian tapestry and bow*
Don't worry. We'll find a way

The problem with being landlocked is that you can't ship anything overseas because, well you can't being ships into your nation, and international shipping is one of the best tools for economies. This is why most landlockrd coubtries are significantly poorer than coastal ones, and why countries try to aboid landlockness at all costs

[Telconi]

I'm working class, and he wanted to screw me hard.

You would only think that if you didn't understand his policies.

You can argue that they were pie in the sky nonsense if you want (you're wrong, but that's beside the topic of this thread), but the simple fact is the ones he managed to get through congress probably would have been the good ones. The president can't do it alone for Bernie's type of plans, he would need Congress.

And he's broadly more likable than Hillary will ever be.

You cannot throw money at me and expect liberty in return. The sooner the collectivist movement headlined by Bernie realizes this, the sooner they can strop pretending that their candidate's policies are objectively good.

[Salus Maior]

Why don't they just wait for 4 years, he's going to be out by that point.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You guys are overreacting.

Trump has reached out towards Hillary supporters. He wants to unify, peacefully.

Nothing huge will happen. Just chill for a while jeez.

Where did he explicitly say that? Show me.

" I know not everyone supported me but I am reaching out to you to unify the country"

Paraphrased somewhat. From Trump's victory speech.