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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:19 pm

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Turnabout's fair play

If the Democrats can label an entire party with various "-ist"s based upon the actions of a slim few why can't the reverse happen?

The problem is that you took one of those slim few "-ist"s and made him president.



I took him and made him president? Must have missed the part where I became every Republican delegate and half of the voting populace...

That aside, let's not pretend that the Republican candidate is objectively worse than the Democrat candidate. Both parties are heavily opposed right now, and the fact that Trump hates the DNC agenda's poster children is equally weighed by the fact that Clinton hate the RNC's poster children just as much. Slap all the sensationalist "-ist" words on to him you want, the DNC picked a hateful candidate too.
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:21 pm

This is all just following off the backlash of a heavily polarized election. Everyone gets a day or so to rant and rave, or to celebrate their victory, but then after that it's back to making the country work. I imagine this "movement", although I scarcely call such a minority of people that, will die out within the month.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:21 pm

Haven't there been California secession movements for years?

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:22 pm

Lets see how California lasts without water from other states.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:22 pm

You guys are overreacting.

Trump has reached out towards Hillary supporters. He wants to unify, peacefully.

Nothing huge will happen. Just chill for a while jeez.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:24 pm

I fully support this iniative and hope California secedes. Secession is a human right and a bedrock of my culture, so I am always in favor of secession movements.

That said, I believe that the Six California Iniative is the best decision for the affairs of California.
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Postby Tectonix » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You guys are overreacting.

Trump has reached out towards Hillary supporters. He wants to unify, peacefully.

Nothing huge will happen. Just chill for a while jeez.

Reached out with his tiny, tiny orange hands that called us "idiots." How peaceful.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:The problem is that you took one of those slim few "-ist"s and made him president.



I took him and made him president? Must have missed the part where I became every Republican delegate and half of the voting populace...

That aside, let's not pretend that the Republican candidate is objectively worse than the Democrat candidate. Both parties are heavily opposed right now, and the fact that Trump hates the DNC agenda's poster children is equally weighed by the fact that Clinton hate the RNC's poster children just as much. Slap all the sensationalist "-ist" words on to him you want, the DNC picked a hateful candidate too.

Don't look at me. I supported Bernie.

That being said, the majority of Americans seem to have made a rational decision to support Clinton, but the rules don't work that way, so we have Trump. That's the way the rules are, and I'm not saying it's not legit, but that's how it is.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:27 pm

First we got Canada's immigration website crashed, and now we got Calexit.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:28 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Just like the UK broke up.

As went the UK, so did its unruly child.
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:28 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Just like the UK broke up.

As went the UK, so did its unruly child.

A bit poetic, isn't it?

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:29 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:I strongly oppose this.

This is a Left wing version of the Tea Party, engaging in secessionist rhetoric which will either go nowhere, or in the unlikely event that it did, risk armed conflict.

We should be talking about how to make this country better, not how to leave it.

The Tea Party went somewhere, it helped the GOP at all levels of government and produced Trump supporters.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:

I took him and made him president? Must have missed the part where I became every Republican delegate and half of the voting populace...

That aside, let's not pretend that the Republican candidate is objectively worse than the Democrat candidate. Both parties are heavily opposed right now, and the fact that Trump hates the DNC agenda's poster children is equally weighed by the fact that Clinton hate the RNC's poster children just as much. Slap all the sensationalist "-ist" words on to him you want, the DNC picked a hateful candidate too.

Don't look at me. I supported Bernie.

That being said, the majority of Americans seem to have made a rational decision to support Clinton, but the rules don't work that way, so we have Trump. That's the way the rules are, and I'm not saying it's not legit, but that's how it is.


Because Bernie was a better choice than Hillary on civil issues right?... Oh Socialists, never, ever, change...
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Postby Ebliania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:29 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:First we got Canada's immigration website crashed, and now we got Calexit.

Is this going to be like the suffix "-gate" from now on?

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Postby Crockerland » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:30 pm

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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:31 pm

Muinordgrad wrote:"Good luck with this whole "secession" thing, you'll need it" -- Your friends in Georgia.

But really, the last thing we need right now is blood in the streets.

"Oranges don't help with secession either." -- Your friends in Florida.

Yeah, we don't need it, and they won't. It's like 12 year olds on Call of Duty. They say they want a fight but never bring it.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:31 pm

Ebliania wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:First we got Canada's immigration website crashed, and now we got Calexit.

Is this going to be like the suffix "-gate" from now on?

Suffix exit. Calexit, Texit, etc.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Ebliania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:32 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Ebliania wrote:Is this going to be like the suffix "-gate" from now on?

Suffix exit. Calexit, Texit, etc.

Why can't we go with style and "Czech Out"?

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Postby Targovia » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:32 pm

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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:Don't look at me. I supported Bernie.

That being said, the majority of Americans seem to have made a rational decision to support Clinton, but the rules don't work that way, so we have Trump. That's the way the rules are, and I'm not saying it's not legit, but that's how it is.


Because Bernie was a better choice than Hillary on civil issues right?... Oh Socialists, never, ever, change...

Bernie didn't have a mountain of baggage, and although he would have had trouble in the white house getting his agenda through (most of it wouldn't make it), he actually seemed to care about people.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:32 pm

Tectonix wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You guys are overreacting.

Trump has reached out towards Hillary supporters. He wants to unify, peacefully.

Nothing huge will happen. Just chill for a while jeez.

Reached out with his tiny, tiny orange hands that called us "idiots." How peaceful.


That was then, this is now.

We need to move on and keep fighting.

He wants our opinion, give it to him and keep fighting.

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Postby Doperland » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:33 pm

I hope they succeed. Then maybe we can have every state become their own country... Then they'll have a reason to get better flags.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because Bernie was a better choice than Hillary on civil issues right?... Oh Socialists, never, ever, change...

Bernie didn't have a mountain of baggage, and although he would have had trouble in the white house getting his agenda through (most of it wouldn't make it), he actually seemed to care about people.


His people... Not the other half of Americans. That's the issue, politicians care about their own supporters, and have zero issue with throwing their opponent's supporters under the bus.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:37 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You guys are overreacting.

Trump has reached out towards Hillary supporters. He wants to unify, peacefully.

Nothing huge will happen. Just chill for a while jeez.

Where did he explicitly say that? Show me.
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