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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:50 pm

Valaran wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hillary said she wanted unity. President Obama said that he is confident that things will be ok after talking to Trump.


Obama literally has to say this, since the point is to ensure a peaceful and smooth transfer of power. Everything in his speech was geared towards making the transfer as smooth as possible.

It does not mean that he actually believes Trump will be this crusader you wish him to be.

Not necessarily. If he had concerns, he could have voiced them right then and there. He is still the president.

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:51 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:Well....remember when people in 2012 said "TEXAS WILL SECEDE, ALAMO PT 2 SNEAKY RICKY'S REVENGE?!" Didn't happen. At all.


That's what they want you to think.


Texas lo key a country and we don't know it...

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Postby Valaran » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:52 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Obama literally has to say this, since the point is to ensure a peaceful and smooth transfer of power. Everything in his speech was geared towards making the transfer as smooth as possible.

It does not mean that he actually believes Trump will be this crusader you wish him to be.

Not necessarily. If he had concerns, he could have voiced them right then and there. He is still the president.


He did voice them in that very speech, and he's voiced them at every event he was at in this election. Obama has spent the past couple of years denigrating Trump on a personal level. He's not going to be convinced by one speech.
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:53 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That's what they want you to think.


Texas lo key a country and we don't know it...

Insert conspiracy about Texas having never been in the US since their joining was unlawful

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:53 pm

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Texas lo key a country and we don't know it...

Insert conspiracy about Texas having never been in the US since their joining was unlawful


I went to Dallas recently. I never once saw an American flag...

I mean, I'm just saying, what are you devious fucking Texans hiding?

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:54 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:It was intentional by the founding fathers to control Slave states. Now it favors agrarian states full of ranchers and wheat farmers in the Plains or Vermont.


I am aware of its flaws. This isn't a basis for rejecting the results.

It isn't democratic or even of the quality of one man, one vote which the Supreme Court calls for as an aspect for mandatory redistricting.
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:55 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Mascargo wrote:Insert conspiracy about Texas having never been in the US since their joining was unlawful


I went to Dallas recently. I never once saw an American flag...

I mean, I'm just saying, what are you devious fucking Texans hiding?

A city-scale replica of the Alamo.

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Postby Valaran » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:57 pm

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Valaran wrote:
I am aware of its flaws. This isn't a basis for rejecting the results.

It isn't democratic or even of the quality of one man, one vote which the Supreme Court calls for as an aspect for mandatory redistricting.


Clinton was well aware of the system when she ran for POTUS under it. The consensus for much of the campaign was that the EC firewall helped her more than the popular vote did.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:58 pm

I for one endorse my home state seceding from the Union. And I support not just secession, but the formation of a new Empire under Lord President Brown. We'll start a war of conquest to bring all the land to our rule. West to the Rockies, North into Canada, South to the current border with Mexico. All the west shall now the true power of California.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:00 pm

The Corparation wrote:I for one endorse my home state seceding from the Union. And I support not just secession, but the formation of a new Empire under Lord President Brown. We'll start a war of conquest to bring all the land to our rule. West to the Rockies, North into Canada, South to the current border with Mexico. All the west shall now the true power of California.


Why stop at the current border of Mexico? Why not expand into Baja California?
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:00 pm

The Corparation wrote:I for one endorse my home state seceding from the Union. And I support not just secession, but the formation of a new Empire under Lord President Brown. We'll start a war of conquest to bring all the land to our rule. West to the Rockies, North into Canada, South to the current border with Mexico. All the west shall now the true power of California.

Surely Emperor Norton would guide the nation.

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Postby Cetacea » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:01 pm

So does Shervin Pishevar own property in Nevada?

and If Lex Luthor couldn't do it what makes him think that he can?

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Postby St Salvador » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:02 pm

I love you California, your the greatest state of all.
I love you in the winter, summer, spring and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore.
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

I'm learning the state song.
This election has inspired me to become one of those guys who cares deeply about their home state. especially with a Republican controlled white house and congress. It's gonna be a tough 4 years folks.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:03 pm

St Salvador wrote:I love you California, your the greatest state of all.
I love you in the winter, summer, spring and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore.
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

I'm learning the state song.
This election has inspired me to become one of those guys who cares deeply about their home state. especially with a Republican controlled white house and congress. It's gonna be a tough 4 years folks.


It could be as short as two if we're lucky.
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Californians Call to Secede from the US; "CalExit"

Postby Parhe » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:04 pm

I was against Texas seceding and I am against California seceding. Unless the US is actually falling apart, it is in the best interest of each state to remain part of the union.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:06 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Corparation wrote:I for one endorse my home state seceding from the Union. And I support not just secession, but the formation of a new Empire under Lord President Brown. We'll start a war of conquest to bring all the land to our rule. West to the Rockies, North into Canada, South to the current border with Mexico. All the west shall now the true power of California.


Why stop at the current border of Mexico? Why not expand into Baja California?

If we annex Baja, Tijuana will no longer be a foreign country. A large portion of Tijuana's economy is founded on Californians going to TJ for partying/gambling/donkey shows/non-FDA approved medical treatment/the experience of bribing a police officer. If it's the same country as California all of those industries will collapse leaving the city destitute.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:09 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Not necessarily. If he had concerns, he could have voiced them right then and there. He is still the president.


He did voice them in that very speech, and he's voiced them at every event he was at in this election. Obama has spent the past couple of years denigrating Trump on a personal level. He's not going to be convinced by one speech.

Who knows what was in that phone call? That speech he gave was on unity.

If it was really bad, he would have been yelling and screaming.
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Postby Republic of Canador » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:10 pm

The butthurt is strong in this state.

And these people who want to see an independent California are the very same fools who shut down the idea of a State of Jefferson. Hypocrisy.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:26 pm

Didn't Cali just legalize weed?

Why don't these secessionist losers just roll a fatty and chill?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:29 pm

Valaran wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:It isn't democratic or even of the quality of one man, one vote which the Supreme Court calls for as an aspect for mandatory redistricting.


Clinton was well aware of the system when she ran for POTUS under it. The consensus for much of the campaign was that the EC firewall helped her more than the popular vote did.

The problem is the firewall failed yet she won the popular vote. Shouldn't have supported BLM so much, Hillary.
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Postby Urran » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:39 pm

So right wing Texas has no right to secede, but left wing California has every right.....I accept this logic. :meh:
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:45 pm

St Salvador wrote:I love you California, your the greatest state of all.
I love you in the winter, summer, spring and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore.
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

I'm learning the state song.
This election has inspired me to become one of those guys who cares deeply about their home state. especially with a Republican controlled white house and congress. It's gonna be a tough 4 years folks.



This election and the recent acts of our state legislature have inspired me to become one of those guys who deeply despises their home state. I want to like you California, but you just can't leave me alone.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:45 pm

Urran wrote:So right wing Texas has no right to secede, but left wing California has every right.....I accept this logic. :meh:

I believe neither has the right at this point. Not without a citizen's plebiscite and vote.
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Postby Urran » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:48 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Urran wrote:So right wing Texas has no right to secede, but left wing California has every right.....I accept this logic. :meh:

I believe neither has the right at this point. Not without a citizen's plebiscite and vote.


I agree.


The problem with people's displeasure is that we want the same country to think the way we do. Every state is different with different needs but people seem to be in the mindset that everything needs to be national or nothing. If we gave the states back a little more autonomy perhaps things would get better. NYC's gun control just won't work in rural Wyoming and people need to accept it.
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Postby Gettenfeld » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:53 pm

Free Tristania wrote:Go ahead, California. Say hello to Greece because you'll be just like them before the month's out. :rofl:

I wouldn't be so certain. California alone has a stronger economy than France. If any state were ripe for nationhood, no matter how unlikely, it is California.

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