"Violence to Protest Against Trump a Logical Response"

[Mascargo]

Lol. I'm a communist. I want workers revolution not random acts of violence.

I'm sorry. Are you saying that you honestly want to tear down the existing order and government of the USA? That you will support that, that you will agitate for that? That you will take part in that?

Well when you believe in an ideology that requires the overthrow of something to even exist... yeah, I suppose he does.

[Sharania]

No, people should rise up against tyrants or if their rights are being taken away. However, Trump won. I am not a Trump supporter, and as disappointed as I am about the outcomes of the whole election, we should not condone people violently protesting against this, or protesting at all. This is how democracy works. The people have chosen Trump, and we need to accept that.

1) Whom did you support during the Arab spring - the people or the Tyrants?

2) Were/Are you pro-Russian given what happened in Ukraine 2004-5/2013-14?

[The first Galactic Republic]

I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so.

Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Regardless, this isn't the thread to argue that. What this thread is for is whether violence against Trump or his supporters is logical and morally right - which it is not, not by a long shot. Violence is never necessary until oppression, whether it be cultural or social, occurs.

No it's not morally right.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

It's time to dust ourselves off and figure out our next step. Learn.

"I refuse the popular outcome and seek to overthrow the popular, democratically elected government! But I am in the morally right, of course."

"Democracy should only apply when it's people I like!"

Incidentally, popular outcome was Hillary. Just by the rules (which no longer make sense, and I've said so for years), it was Trump fair and square. I can't say this enough.

The past two elections have been very close with the popular vote, so realistically we'd need a few weeks at least for multiple recounts to deal with the margin of error. At least the electoral college lets us get in on political shitposts from all our favorite websites early.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

Seriously I don't wanna give Trump the excuse to clamp down yet.

1) He is not a president. Yet

2) Where is your courage? Where is your civic consciousness?

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

[Sharania]

Yeah. Morsi was so cool wasn't he? The Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square and that makes them good.

/s if it wasn't obvious.

Actually the first pic is from the protest *against* Morsi. Or, what, the people of the ME are the "same face" for you?

[Galloism]

The past two elections have been very close with the popular vote, so realistically we'd need a few weeks at least for multiple recounts to deal with the margin of error. At least the electoral college lets us get in on political shitposts from all our favorite websites early.

I'm really ok with recounts. The only real problem is that if the vote were really close nationally - like say 50,000 votes, people might demand a national recount, and that would be expensive. With the electoral college, recounts would be limited to a state by state basis.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Yeah. Morsi was so cool wasn't he? The Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square and that makes them good.

/s if it wasn't obvious.

Actually the first pic is from the protest *against* Morsi. Or, what, the people of the ME are the "same face" for you?

I was attacking the argument, not the pictures. Morsi was the one who won "fair and square."

[United States of Natan]

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

[Mascargo]

Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

...how?

[Des-Bal]

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

The only indication that anybody has any interest in destroying and abolishing the democratic process is that people are talking about violent opposition because they don't like the outcome of an election.

[Free Missouri]

Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

Ok... enough with the hyperbole, allright, I mean I was on the "they're both satan" train too up until last night, but it's time for the hyperbole to STOP

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

Based on what? An incomprehension with losing?

[Mascargo]

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

Ok... enough with the hyperbole, allright, I mean I was on the "they're both satan" train too up until last night, but it's time for the hyperbole to STOP

But now we're on the "Clinton would've saved democracy" train.

[Sharania]

Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.

It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?

[Free Missouri]

Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.

It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?

Do I need to repeat my fucking comment about the Hyperbole. Stop this "oh he's a puppet" bullshit, please. You're not heroes or anything for trying to topple a pseudo-fascist because your tyrannical candidate didn't win.

[Yugo-Austria]

If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.

And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

We're a republic, not a democracy.
We have representatives and DJT won more representatives because he won important states.
That's literally what a republic, or a representative democracy, does.

[Sharania]

Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?

I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.

[Yugo-Austria]

Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?

I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.

Despite the fact he wants to impose term limits on crony Washington insiders who take money from Wall Street and foreign nations...
right.

[Free Missouri]

Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?

I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.

For Fuck sakes. I'm going to say this one more time for you people who can't understand, and note that I myself engaged in hyperbole during the election to get across my point that both of them would be horrible for our country:
(P.S. we're not a democracy, we're a constitutional federal republic)




THE ELECTION IS OVER. THE HYPERBOLE IS GETTING OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. I mean seriously, trump is not the satan you're trying to make everyone think he is. Nor is he a puppet for fuck sakes.

[Yugo-Austria]

I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.

For Fuck sakes. I'm going to say this one more time for you people who can't understand, and note that I myself engaged in hyperbole during the election to get across my point that both of them would be horrible for our country:
(P.S. we're not a democracy, we're a constitutional federal republic)




THE ELECTION IS OVER. THE HYPERBOLE IS GETTING OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. I mean seriously, trump is not the satan you're trying to make everyone think he is. Nor is he a puppet for fuck sakes.

They've made a Gilgamesh who eats smurfs.

[Galloism]

They've made a Gilgamesh who eats smurfs.

...


Ok i've been grumpy all day, but this actually made me smile.

[Transoxthraxia]

I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so.

Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Yeah, calling out illegal immigrants is racist, I forgot.

It wouldn't matter if they were Chinese, Black, Mexican, or other, they wouldn't be any less of a burden on the present system, which, of course, is what Trump plans to fix.

[Sharania]

I was attacking the argument, not the pictures. Morsi was the one who won "fair and square."

Mine or their's?

[Galloism]

Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Yeah, calling out illegal immigrants is racist, I forgot.

It wouldn't matter if they were Chinese, Black, Mexican, or other, they wouldn't be any less of a burden on the present system, which, of course, is what Trump plans to fix.

"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people" was part of it, sure.

There was also the overt bigotry against muslim people for being muslim.

[Yugo-Austria]

They've made a Gilgamesh who eats smurfs.

...


Ok i've been grumpy all day, but this actually made me smile.

I meant Gargamel LOL
I'm assuming you were pointing out my mistake?