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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:47 pm

Sharania wrote:
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Lol. I'm a communist. I want workers revolution not random acts of violence.


I'm sorry. Are you saying that you honestly want to tear down the existing order and government of the USA? That you will support that, that you will agitate for that? That you will take part in that?

Well when you believe in an ideology that requires the overthrow of something to even exist... yeah, I suppose he does.

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Postby Sharania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:47 pm

San Poland wrote:No, people should rise up against tyrants or if their rights are being taken away. However, Trump won. I am not a Trump supporter, and as disappointed as I am about the outcomes of the whole election, we should not condone people violently protesting against this, or protesting at all. This is how democracy works. The people have chosen Trump, and we need to accept that.


1) Whom did you support during the Arab spring - the people or the Tyrants?

2) Were/Are you pro-Russian given what happened in Ukraine 2004-5/2013-14?
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:48 pm

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Transoxthraxia wrote:I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so.


Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Regardless, this isn't the thread to argue that. What this thread is for is whether violence against Trump or his supporters is logical and morally right - which it is not, not by a long shot. Violence is never necessary until oppression, whether it be cultural or social, occurs.

No it's not morally right.

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Transoxthraxia wrote:"I refuse the popular outcome and seek to overthrow the popular, democratically elected government! But I am in the morally right, of course."

"Democracy should only apply when it's people I like!"


Incidentally, popular outcome was Hillary. Just by the rules (which no longer make sense, and I've said so for years), it was Trump fair and square. I can't say this enough.

The past two elections have been very close with the popular vote, so realistically we'd need a few weeks at least for multiple recounts to deal with the margin of error. At least the electoral college lets us get in on political shitposts from all our favorite websites early.
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:54 pm

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Daburuetchi wrote:Seriously I don't wanna give Trump the excuse to clamp down yet.


1) He is not a president. Yet

2) Where is your courage? Where is your civic consciousness?

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:55 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:Yeah. Morsi was so cool wasn't he? The Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square and that makes them good.

/s if it wasn't obvious.


Actually the first pic is from the protest *against* Morsi. Or, what, the people of the ME are the "same face" for you?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:56 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:The past two elections have been very close with the popular vote, so realistically we'd need a few weeks at least for multiple recounts to deal with the margin of error. At least the electoral college lets us get in on political shitposts from all our favorite websites early.

I'm really ok with recounts. The only real problem is that if the vote were really close nationally - like say 50,000 votes, people might demand a national recount, and that would be expensive. With the electoral college, recounts would be limited to a state by state basis.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:56 pm

Sharania wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Yeah. Morsi was so cool wasn't he? The Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square and that makes them good.

/s if it wasn't obvious.


Actually the first pic is from the protest *against* Morsi. Or, what, the people of the ME are the "same face" for you?

I was attacking the argument, not the pictures. Morsi was the one who won "fair and square."
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Postby United States of Natan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:58 pm

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United States of Natan wrote:For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.


Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:59 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

...how?

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:00 pm

United States of Natan wrote:Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.


The only indication that anybody has any interest in destroying and abolishing the democratic process is that people are talking about violent opposition because they don't like the outcome of an election.
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:00 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.


Ok... enough with the hyperbole, allright, I mean I was on the "they're both satan" train too up until last night, but it's time for the hyperbole to STOP
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:00 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

Based on what? An incomprehension with losing?
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Postby Mascargo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:02 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.


Ok... enough with the hyperbole, allright, I mean I was on the "they're both satan" train too up until last night, but it's time for the hyperbole to STOP

But now we're on the "Clinton would've saved democracy" train.

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Postby Sharania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:03 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.


It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:05 pm

Sharania wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.


It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?


Do I need to repeat my fucking comment about the Hyperbole. Stop this "oh he's a puppet" bullshit, please. You're not heroes or anything for trying to topple a pseudo-fascist because your tyrannical candidate didn't win.
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Postby Yugo-Austria » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.


And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

We're a republic, not a democracy.
We have representatives and DJT won more representatives because he won important states.
That's literally what a republic, or a representative democracy, does.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:08 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?


I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.
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Postby Yugo-Austria » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:13 pm

Sharania wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?


I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.

Despite the fact he wants to impose term limits on crony Washington insiders who take money from Wall Street and foreign nations...
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:13 pm

Sharania wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?


I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.



For Fuck sakes. I'm going to say this one more time for you people who can't understand, and note that I myself engaged in hyperbole during the election to get across my point that both of them would be horrible for our country:
(P.S. we're not a democracy, we're a constitutional federal republic)




THE ELECTION IS OVER. THE HYPERBOLE IS GETTING OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. I mean seriously, trump is not the satan you're trying to make everyone think he is. Nor is he a puppet for fuck sakes.
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Postby Yugo-Austria » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:14 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Sharania wrote:
I'm not insinuating. I'm saying loud and lear - Trump is useful idiot of a tyrant who wants to destriy the very concept of democracy.



For Fuck sakes. I'm going to say this one more time for you people who can't understand, and note that I myself engaged in hyperbole during the election to get across my point that both of them would be horrible for our country:
(P.S. we're not a democracy, we're a constitutional federal republic)




THE ELECTION IS OVER. THE HYPERBOLE IS GETTING OLD AND NEEDS TO STOP. I mean seriously, trump is not the satan you're trying to make everyone think he is. Nor is he a puppet for fuck sakes.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:16 pm

Yugo-Austria wrote:They've made a Gilgamesh who eats smurfs.

...


Ok i've been grumpy all day, but this actually made me smile.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so.


Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Yeah, calling out illegal immigrants is racist, I forgot.

It wouldn't matter if they were Chinese, Black, Mexican, or other, they wouldn't be any less of a burden on the present system, which, of course, is what Trump plans to fix.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:17 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:

I was attacking the argument, not the pictures. Morsi was the one who won "fair and square."


Mine or their's?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:18 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Yeah, calling out illegal immigrants is racist, I forgot.

It wouldn't matter if they were Chinese, Black, Mexican, or other, they wouldn't be any less of a burden on the present system, which, of course, is what Trump plans to fix.

"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people" was part of it, sure.

There was also the overt bigotry against muslim people for being muslim.
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Postby Yugo-Austria » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
Yugo-Austria wrote:They've made a Gilgamesh who eats smurfs.

...


Ok i've been grumpy all day, but this actually made me smile.

I meant Gargamel LOL
I'm assuming you were pointing out my mistake?
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