"Violence to Protest Against Trump a Logical Response"

[United States of Natan]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10316186

"In the face of media, politicians, and GOP primary voters normalizing Trump as a presidential candidate—whatever your personal beliefs regarding violent resistance—there’s an inherent value in forestalling Trump’s normalization. Violent resistance accomplishes this. In spite of this, such resistance is apparently more offensive and unacceptable to societal norms and liberal sensibilities than the nastiness being resisted in the first place."

The title and article speak clearly enough about the authors intent following the results of the election. What are NS' thoughts on this? Is he right, or overreacting?

Unfortunately, I fear the only way to combat all the bigotry, hatred, and violence Trump represents is with violence of our own.

[Jumalariik]

This is extremely hypocritical.

Obviously violence isn't the answer.

If Republicans have taught us anything, obstructionism and delegitimizing the opposition is.

lol

I won't be surprised if in the next four years we get the exact same stuff that the democrats were bemoaning from the republicans from them. It won't be green eggs and ham by Ted Cruz, it will be the Lorax or something.

[Des-Bal]

Obviously violence isn't the answer.

If Republicans have taught us anything, obstructionism and delegitimizing the opposition is.

It goes on and on and on and on...

[Galloism]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10316186

"In the face of media, politicians, and GOP primary voters normalizing Trump as a presidential candidate—whatever your personal beliefs regarding violent resistance—there’s an inherent value in forestalling Trump’s normalization. Violent resistance accomplishes this. In spite of this, such resistance is apparently more offensive and unacceptable to societal norms and liberal sensibilities than the nastiness being resisted in the first place."

The title and article speak clearly enough about the authors intent following the results of the election. What are NS' thoughts on this? Is he right, or overreacting?

Unfortunately, I fear the only way to combat all the bigotry, hatred, and violence Trump represents is with violence of our own.

Let's not.

At least at the end of the day, we'll have our self respect. For whatever that's worth.

[Redsection]

No you can't, the Right Wing Militias have better training and equipment than you.

What right wing militia? Kids on the internet talking big don't count.

The American Black shirts All though a joke have a Para-Military wing

[Pyrie (Ancient)]

I don't see why someone would want to lead a violent protest because they don't like the president. I mean, he's probably going to lead us to nuclear war, but that's besides the point- democracy is all about what the people want, and apparently the people wanted Trump. If that's what they want, it's what they want. A violent protest will solve nothing. I'm most definitely not a Trump supporter, but I really don't think a violent protest would solve anything.

(Oh, and I don't know too much about politics or even the concept of election itself too well so if I say something that's nonsense or incorrect please tell me so I can correct it next time.)

[Galloism]

Obviously violence isn't the answer.

If Republicans have taught us anything, obstructionism and delegitimizing the opposition is.

lol

I won't be surprised if in the next four years we get the exact same stuff that the democrats were bemoaning from the republicans from them. It won't be green eggs and ham by Ted Cruz, it will be the Lorax or something.

It's stupid, but it apparently wins elections.

For some damn reason.

[Muinordgrad]

Really, if there is violence, it is just gonna get WAY worse for everyone. The Army is gonna get more power. Places like Washington, Oregon, Colorado; where people could go if Trump were to do something stupid and they would not do it, will become basically territories if they explode. Don't even get me started about what would happen if Trump was assassinated, especially if that person was found to have ANY ties with the establishment...


I mean not to be crude or crass, but what the American people seemed to vote for is not really a president, but to tell the people that say "If you don't support EVERY cause we want, your LITERALLY HITLER" to shut the hell up. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people end up in the tide.

[Transoxthraxia]

"It is never justified to turn political anger into violence" - The Left.

The hypocrisy is mind boggling, it's like the collective left is throwing a temper tantrum that they lost the election.

For all of you who are ready to say "Nay!" to such suggestion - a couple of pics, please.

One:

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Two:

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Go ahead - go ahead and tell these people while looking in their eyes that their struggle for Democracy was "wrong".

Now go and look into a mirror.

Are you trying to insinuate that Trump is anti-democratic?

[United States of Natan]

Unfortunately, I fear the only way to combat all the bigotry, hatred, and violence Trump represents is with violence of our own.

Let's not.

At least at the end of the day, we'll have our self respect. For whatever that's worth.

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

[Webus]

My body is ready for a communist revolution.

[The Lone Alliance]

No you can't, the Right Wing Militias have better training and equipment than you.

What right wing militia? Kids on the internet talking big don't count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_o ... ted_States

[Des-Bal]

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

Your voice is "I will use violence to achieve my political goals and undermine the democratic process"

[Transoxthraxia]

Let's not.

At least at the end of the day, we'll have our self respect. For whatever that's worth.

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so. I guess ten thousand people can't be wrong, right?

Regardless, this isn't the thread to argue that. What this thread is for is whether violence against Trump or his supporters is logical and morally right - which it is not, not by a long shot. Violence is never necessary until oppression, whether it be cultural or social, occurs.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Let's not.

At least at the end of the day, we'll have our self respect. For whatever that's worth.

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

That would be the point of voting though.

[Transoxthraxia]

My body is ready for a communist revolution.

Literally no one else's is.

[Transoxthraxia]

For now, I do hope we keep from violence. But if it becomes our only resort, I'd rather make my voice heard than be forced to remain silent.

That would be the point of voting though.

"I refuse the popular outcome and seek to overthrow the popular, democratically elected government! But I am in the morally right, of course."

"Democracy should only apply when it's people I like!"

[Mascargo]

People call for revolution so quickly without a thought of what that would actually entail. Look at the differences in the popular vote, so minor. A grand radical revolution, from any side, would not simply occupy the country in a day. It would embroil the nation into a bloody conflict, that in the end, would culminate in an unsustainable government.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What right wing militia? Kids on the internet talking big don't count.

The American Black shirts All though a joke have a Para-Military wing

The fascists and alt rightists that supported Trump were a fringe. Largely irrelevant extremists that sold themselves out and actually voted among Paleocons for a National Liberal.

"Cucked" as they would say, to the Conservatives they hated.

[Transoxthraxia]

People call for revolution so quickly without a thought of what that would actually entail. Look at the differences in the popular vote, so minor. A grand radical revolution, from any side, would not simply occupy the country in a day. It would embroil the nation into a bloody conflict, that in the end, would culminate in an unsustainable government.

It would also destroy America as a diplomatic superpower and, more importantly, put the final nail in democracy's coffin.

[Galloism]

I fail to see how Trump represents bigotry, hatred, and violence other than the fact that media outlets and your peers told you so.

Because he said so. I'm judging him from the words out of his own mouth.

Regardless, this isn't the thread to argue that. What this thread is for is whether violence against Trump or his supporters is logical and morally right - which it is not, not by a long shot. Violence is never necessary until oppression, whether it be cultural or social, occurs.

No it's not morally right.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

It's time to dust ourselves off and figure out our next step. Learn.

That would be the point of voting though.

"I refuse the popular outcome and seek to overthrow the popular, democratically elected government! But I am in the morally right, of course."

"Democracy should only apply when it's people I like!"

Incidentally, popular outcome was Hillary. Just by the rules (which no longer make sense, and I've said so for years), it was Trump fair and square. I can't say this enough.

[Vassenor]

The American Black shirts All though a joke have a Para-Military wing

The fascists and alt rightists that supported Trump were a fringe. Largely irrelevant extremists that sold themselves out and actually voted among Paleocons for a National Liberal.

"Cucks" as they would say, to the Conservatives they hated.

A fringe that now believes ~47.5% of the American population supports them. =/

[The Republic People]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10316186

"In the face of media, politicians, and GOP primary voters normalizing Trump as a presidential candidate—whatever your personal beliefs regarding violent resistance—there’s an inherent value in forestalling Trump’s normalization. Violent resistance accomplishes this. In spite of this, such resistance is apparently more offensive and unacceptable to societal norms and liberal sensibilities than the nastiness being resisted in the first place."

The title and article speak clearly enough about the authors intent following the results of the election. What are NS' thoughts on this? Is he right, or overreacting?

I despise Trump, and will support almost any legal means of blocking his agenda and removing him from office, but I find the decision of some on the Left to engage in and advocate violence despicable. We do not need two tea parties, one on the Left and one on the Right. We do not need bodies in the streets.

I agree completely with Romulan. Trump and his selected cabinet as a whole is a collection of absolutely despicable, disgusting men, and I don't want them in any positions of power, but violence is not the answer. He needs to be removed legally, not through hate and/or bloodshed.

[Sharania]

Lol. I'm a communist. I want workers revolution not random acts of violence.

I'm sorry. Are you saying that you honestly want to tear down the existing order and government of the USA? That you will support that, that you will agitate for that? That you will take part in that?

[Jochizyd Republic]

The fascists and alt rightists that supported Trump were a fringe. Largely irrelevant extremists that sold themselves out and actually voted among Paleocons for a National Liberal.

"Cucks" as they would say, to the Conservatives they hated.

A fringe that now believes ~47.5% of the American population supports them. =/

Made funnier by the fact that Trump has denied their existence and absolutely slams people like David Duke who latched onto his Campaign.

That ought to sting a little bit. :'(