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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:17 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.


And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.


It doesn't? But Brexit means Brexit, and the UK is better together. :p
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Postby Daburuetchi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:18 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
Redsection wrote:
Bah , if you lefties rise up so will the righties . For example the moment any communists try anything ...libertarian , and fascist paramilitary groups will respond. A revolution in a modern united states would be bad for everyone.

We can beat them


Ugh. You sound like an insurrectionary anarchist or People's Will type. Smashing crap up isn't Revolution.
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:18 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
Redsection wrote:
Bah , if you lefties rise up so will the righties . For example the moment any communists try anything ...libertarian , and fascist paramilitary groups will respond. A revolution in a modern united states would be bad for everyone.

We can beat them


Bring it.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:18 pm

Sharania wrote:For all of you who are ready to say "Nay!" to such suggestion - a couple of pics, please.

One:



Two:



Go ahead - go ahead and tell these people while looking in their eyes that their struggle for Democracy was "wrong".

Now go and look into a mirror.

Yeah. Morsi was so cool wasn't he? The Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square and that makes them good.

/s if it wasn't obvious.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:19 pm

San Poland wrote:
Sharania wrote:
1) Sometimes it's the only way to have things done. Like declare Independence and fight for it, not "working within a system".

2) Are you against people rising up against tyrants and despots of the world?

No, people should rise up against tyrants or if their rights are being taken away. However, Trump won. I am not a Trump supporter, and as disappointed as I am about the outcomes of the whole election, we should not condone people violently protesting against this, or protesting at all. This is how democracy works. The people have chosen Trump, and we need to accept that.


Which is why 220,000 more people voted for Hillary than Trump.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:19 pm

No. Violent protests are not the answer right now.

It's cold outside, wait until spring.


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On a more serious note, take a page from Gandhi's book, and protest like that.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:21 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
Redsection wrote:
Bah , if you lefties rise up so will the righties . For example the moment any communists try anything ...libertarian , and fascist paramilitary groups will respond. A revolution in a modern united states would be bad for everyone.

We can beat them

No you can't, the Right Wing Militias have better training and equipment than you.

Vassenor wrote:Which is why 220,000 more people voted for Hillary than Trump.

Only 220,000... That's pathetic.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:21 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:No. Violent protests are not the answer right now.

It's cold outside, wait until spring.


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On a more serious note, take a page from Gandhi's book, and protest like that.


If half the fucking country decides to openly break the law after every election we can't have a democracy.
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Postby Redsection » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:22 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
Redsection wrote:
Bah , if you lefties rise up so will the righties . For example the moment any communists try anything ...libertarian , and fascist paramilitary groups will respond. A revolution in a modern united states would be bad for everyone.

We can beat them


Thats what you guys thought in Spain ..... * cough * No Pasaran but I remember the falange turning that into Ya hemos pasao ! Do you really want to see lives pointlessly lost , the republicans called for revolution in 2008 and 2012 when Obama won , Guess what friend nothing happened because we the American people are barkers not biters.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:22 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:No. Violent protests are not the answer right now.

It's cold outside, wait until spring.


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On a more serious note, take a page from Gandhi's book, and protest like that.


If half the fucking country decides to openly break the law after every election we can't have a democracy.

I'm still available for the job of King. I have previous experience.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:22 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
We can beat them


We just proved you can't.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:23 pm

Whelp this thread is full of either liberal platitudes about "democracy" or propaganda of deed. Both equally wrong

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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:24 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.


And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

By voting you accept the outcome.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:24 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:No. Violent protests are not the answer right now.

It's cold outside, wait until spring.


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On a more serious note, take a page from Gandhi's book, and protest like that.


If half the fucking country decides to openly break the law after every election we can't have a democracy.


I am not aware that peaceful protests break the law?

Oh well, something learned I guess.
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Postby Rhomaia » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:26 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:Whelp this thread is full of either liberal platitudes about "democracy" or propaganda of deed. Both equally wrong

What are you talking about? We need change! Real change!
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:27 pm

Seriously though violence and riots in response to Trump winning are a huge overreaction. The whole media outlook/public sentiment was an overreaction.

He's bad. The worst we'll have since Bush. Much worse probably. But he is absolutely not the hardcore racist neo nazi klansman people painted him as.
inb4 he's endorsed by the KKK and Neo Nazis.
Yeah, he's also endorsed by Black Supremacist Groups and Communists.

I blame this sort of vicious overreaction that the Left has been characterized by recently for Him winning. Why people turned to such an idiot. That and Hillary being the nutcase she was.

This is every bit the fault of the New Left as it is Populists, Paleocons, and Alt Rightists (who played a waaay smaller role than they would like to think they played.)
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Postby Labyrinne » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:27 pm

All that violent protest is going to do is get people killed, not cause any change.
I say that us liberals should step back. let it play out. It will suck, but when Trump causes a reseccion and more loss of jobs, some of the disenfrancised voters will have a rude awakening.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:27 pm

Rhomaia wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:Whelp this thread is full of either liberal platitudes about "democracy" or propaganda of deed. Both equally wrong

What are you talking about? We need change! Real change!
Vive le Revolucion! Down with the fascist pigs, and the burgeoisie!
/sarcasm

Something something storm the bastille.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:28 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
I am not aware that peaceful protests break the law?

Oh well, something learned I guess.


Ghandi's did and the protests of those modelling themselves after Ghandi tend to.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:28 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:No you can't, the Right Wing Militias have better training and equipment than you.

What right wing militia? Kids on the internet talking big don't count.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:28 pm

This is extremely hypocritical.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:29 pm

Sharania wrote:For all of you who are ready to say "Nay!" to such suggestion - a couple of pics, please.

One:



Two:



Go ahead - go ahead and tell these people while looking in their eyes that their struggle for Democracy was "wrong".

Now go and look into a mirror.

Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:29 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
If half the fucking country decides to openly break the law after every election we can't have a democracy.


I am not aware that peaceful protests break the law?

Oh well, something learned I guess.

They can.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:29 pm

Jumalariik wrote:This is extremely hypocritical.

Obviously violence isn't the answer.

If Republicans have taught us anything, obstructionism and delegitimizing the opposition is.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:29 pm

Jumalariik wrote:This is extremely hypocritical.

So is a Reactionary supporting a National Liberal.

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