"Violence to Protest Against Trump a Logical Response"

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well allow me to stwp in. I hate both candidates and have said the system is bullshit for years. So my response is the same. abullshit sustem is bullshit

As a critic of this system and democracy in general, I agree with you.

That doesn't change the legitimacy of Trump's win.

He won legitimately by the system he himself labeled as rigged. It's legit, I just hate it

[San Marlindo]

Yeah, I'll be impressed when the idiot columnist who wrote that article sets down his latte, gets out of his cubicle, picks up a gun, and resorts to violence himself.

Instead of agitating for others to do it instead.

The people screaming the most hysterically for revolution are rarely the ones willing to put their own necks on the line.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Imo the last FBI thing is what sank Clinton, and that didn't come from Wikileaks.

They proved nothing

Is there any proof of that anyways? Russia may not have liked Clinton but did they outright support Trump?

Yes - with their hacks, propaganda and money.

I meant like, you know, a source.

[Ekdesh]

If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.

And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

F*ck the electoral college. That shit should have remained in the pre civil war era.

[Free Missouri]

Yeah, I'll be impressed when the idiot columnist who wrote that article sets down his latte, gets out of his cubicle, picks up a gun, and resorts to violence himself.

Instead of agitating for others to do it instead.

The people screaming the most hysterically for revolution are rarely the ones willing to put their own necks on the line.

Look, if trump does go tyrant, I'll be the first one to pick up my AR, but people calling for revolution before he's even done anything are stupid and should stop this idiotic hyperbole.

[Mascargo]

They proved nothing



Yes - with their hacks, propaganda and money.

I meant like, you know, a source.

Who needs sources when you have opinions?

[Gun Manufacturers]

No, people should rise up against tyrants or if their rights are being taken away. However, Trump won. I am not a Trump supporter, and as disappointed as I am about the outcomes of the whole election, we should not condone people violently protesting against this, or protesting at all. This is how democracy works. The people have chosen Trump, and we need to accept that.

Which is why 220,000 more people voted for Hillary than Trump.

The President isn't elected by popular vote, but by a vote of the electoral college. And it isn't the first time someone won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote.

[Free Missouri]

And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

F*ck the electoral college. That shit should have remained in the pre civil war era.

except the electoral college increasingly protects us from a tyranny of the majority especially in an era when the Executive branch of government seems to be gathering more and more and more power every year.

[Salus Maior]

As a critic of this system and democracy in general, I agree with you.

That doesn't change the legitimacy of Trump's win.

You can advocate the change of the electoral college while still recognizing that Trump won fairly. It's not a one-way street.

Why not? According to the system our country has, Presidents can win by electoral votes.

According to that system, his win is legitimate. I can still criticize the system.

[Galloism]

Which is why 220,000 more people voted for Hillary than Trump.

The President isn't elected by popular vote, but by a vote of the electoral college. And it isn't the first time someone won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote.

Yeah, that happened with the last republican president too.

[Ekdesh]

Uh huh. Hillary's policies would have brought us into war in Syria and into direct conflict with Russia. What about that sounds like a good thing?

To be completely honest, I don't see an issue with the USA smoothing over relations with Russia in the future and ending the longest running dick measuring contest that the world has ever seen.

Someone on /pol/ actually raised a reasonable point (shocker!) about how the ongoing Russia-US rivalry is just a ploy by the defense industry to make money, despite Russia being far behind on tech for the most part

[Mascargo]

To be completely honest, I don't see an issue with the USA smoothing over relations with Russia in the future and ending the longest running dick measuring contest that the world has ever seen.

Someone on /pol/ actually raised a reasonable point (shocker!) about how the ongoing Russia-US rivalry is just a ploy by the defense industry to make money, despite Russia being far behind on tech for the most part

Ooh, conspiracies. Those are my favorite.

[San Marlindo]

To be completely honest, I don't see an issue with the USA smoothing over relations with Russia in the future and ending the longest running dick measuring contest that the world has ever seen.

Someone on /pol/ actually raised a reasonable point (shocker!) about how the ongoing Russia-US rivalry is just a ploy by the defense industry to make money, despite Russia being far behind on tech for the most part

How? I would think the defense industries of Russia and the US are just as dependent on exports - given their lucrative foreign markets - than domestic military contracts.

They can make plenty of money off Middle Eastern wars or arming militant dictators whether there's tension between the two countries or not.

[San Marlindo]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

Why don't you rise up and revolt yourself, tough guy, instead of trying to guilt other people into doing it for you?

[Sharania]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

No, no, no! Damn! Have anyone read the article?!

Point three. Violent resistance matters. Riots can lead to major change (*note the irony of that hyperlink going to a Vox article). It’s not liberal politicians or masses that historians identify as the spark underlying the modern movement for LGBTQ equality. Nor was it a think piece from some smarmy liberal writer. It was the people who took to the streets during the Stonewall Uprising. It was the Watts Rebellion, not the Watts Battle of Ideas, that exposed the enduring systemic neglect, poverty, inequality, and racism faced by that community. Similarly, it was the LA Uprising, not the LA Protests, that led to significant changes in the Los Angeles Police Department. More recently, the Ferguson and Baltimore Uprisings both helped prompt the Justice Department to investigate their corrupt police forces. And since we’re talking about fascism, it’s worth remembering that it wasn’t the election of a moderate centrist (hello, Hillary) or a sanguine protest that stopped its ascent in Europe.

[Sharania]

Isn't the people calling for what basically amounts to open rebellion and violence because they lost the election, the same people who I just listened for months on end now decry Trump supporters as barbaric "Deplorables" and such?

Hmmmm....

Yes, that' how Hilary Clinton called them. And an enormous number of people agree with that. Sadly, not as many is ready to defend their own freedom against them.

[Maineiacs]

Any protest must be non-violent; otherwise we play into their hands.

[Des-Bal]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

No, no, no! Damn! Have anyone read the article?!

Fuck the article. It's an opinion piece written by an idiot advocating public violence.

[Sharania]

Uh huh. Hillary's policies would have brought us into war in Syria and into direct conflict with Russia. What about that sounds like a good thing?

No it won't. Russia is a poor isolated country, their military is a paper tiger. They won't do a thing.

[Mascargo]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

No, no, no! Damn! Have anyone read the article?!

Point three. Violent resistance matters. Riots can lead to major change (*note the irony of that hyperlink going to a Vox article). It’s not liberal politicians or masses that historians identify as the spark underlying the modern movement for LGBTQ equality. Nor was it a think piece from some smarmy liberal writer. It was the people who took to the streets during the Stonewall Uprising. It was the Watts Rebellion, not the Watts Battle of Ideas, that exposed the enduring systemic neglect, poverty, inequality, and racism faced by that community. Similarly, it was the LA Uprising, not the LA Protests, that led to significant changes in the Los Angeles Police Department. More recently, the Ferguson and Baltimore Uprisings both helped prompt the Justice Department to investigate their corrupt police forces. And since we’re talking about fascism, it’s worth remembering that it wasn’t the election of a moderate centrist (hello, Hillary) or a sanguine protest that stopped its ascent in Europe.

You're trying very hard to goad people into supporting violent protests and armed insurrection.

[Ararat Mountain]

The same people that call Trump anti-Democracy and "Fascist" are the same people that want to allow actual violence, real danger from what we've seen with the BLM folks, it won't be even close to peaceful.

The thing is, Trump won, Brexit won too, you'll have to adapt, deal with it, and maybe win next time (or lose if you choose to stay the same)

P.S. Clinton didn't get the vote of the people, she got the vote of Chicago and LA. Trump will get 300+ electoral votes once Pennsylvania and Arizona are called in. This wasn't even close, in states that the media was 100% sure Clinton would win were close victories for Trump, that says something.

This is exactly what we saw in Brexit, when your side doesn't win you scream and cry the same rhetoric that caused your loss, you wanted to ban elderly people from voting, a re-referendum because it just can't be some people disagree with you.

You are going to have to realize that he WILL have his inauguration. It's over, go fix the democratic party (or what's left of it, some of you are probably some weird anarcho-communist libertarian because this is NS)

Now listen, you do not have the right to go out and set your city on fire because Trump is a meanie or because you think he's a nazi because white people.
I know most of you won't because you are still here on NS, but those who do will get arrested and imprisoned.

Disagreement=/=Riot

Peaceful disagreement is healthy for our nation, "Fuck Trump" rallies are not helpful or constructive, I thought most would have learned by now that the violence seen by leftist groups was a reason Trump won.

[Sharania]

Well, don't get *me* wrong, but (there is always "but"!) you sound like someone saying "I have lots of black/lationo/gay friends, but..."

Then you're making unfair assumptions. Not much different than Trump's "all illegal immigrants are rapists" statement. You're a grade-A hypocrite.

I wanted Bernie Sanders, for the record. I just have a realistic picture of the world that isn't spoon-fed to me by the media.

You call me a "hypocrite" and you call yourself a "realist". I guess it'll be fair if I call you back - a person with no convictions or ideals!

[Free Missouri]

Uh huh. Hillary's policies would have brought us into war in Syria and into direct conflict with Russia. What about that sounds like a good thing?

No it won't. Russia is a poor isolated country, their military is a paper tiger. They won't do a thing.

You know except for the fact that they have the ability to wipe out the world, as do we, many times over.

[Sharania]

I meant like, you know, a source.

Where have you been all this summer and fall?

[Free Missouri]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

No, no, no! Damn! Have anyone read the article?!

Point three. Violent resistance matters. Riots can lead to major change (*note the irony of that hyperlink going to a Vox article). It’s not liberal politicians or masses that historians identify as the spark underlying the modern movement for LGBTQ equality. Nor was it a think piece from some smarmy liberal writer. It was the people who took to the streets during the Stonewall Uprising. It was the Watts Rebellion, not the Watts Battle of Ideas, that exposed the enduring systemic neglect, poverty, inequality, and racism faced by that community. Similarly, it was the LA Uprising, not the LA Protests, that led to significant changes in the Los Angeles Police Department. More recently, the Ferguson and Baltimore Uprisings both helped prompt the Justice Department to investigate their corrupt police forces. And since we’re talking about fascism, it’s worth remembering that it wasn’t the election of a moderate centrist (hello, Hillary) or a sanguine protest that stopped its ascent in Europe.

Yeah that would work except for the fact that the hillary camp is heavily pro gun control and the other camp (plus the Libertarians) is the one that is actually properly armed for a violent resistance...