"Violence to Protest Against Trump a Logical Response"

[Paddy O Fernature]

Quick question, what unfair system got Trump elected? Don't take this in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious.

Probably the electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote.

This isn't anything new, and is the currently acceptable under the system in place.

Until it's changed, this can, will, and will continue to happen in the future and we all either need to accept this or work peacefully to change it.

[Salus Maior]

The woman who wants more wars...

No! It's called "right 2 protect".

Uh huh. Hillary's policies would have brought us into war in Syria and into direct conflict with Russia. What about that sounds like a good thing?

[Paddy O Fernature]

No! It's called "right 2 protect".

Uh huh. Hillary's policies would have brought us into war in Syria and into direct conflict with Russia. What about that sounds like a good thing?

To be completely honest, I don't see an issue with the USA smoothing over relations with Russia in the future and ending the longest running dick measuring contest that the world has ever seen.

[Sharania]

Really? Trump is not Hitler.

I don't approve of Trump at all, don't get me wrong...

Well, don't get *me* wrong, but (there is always "but"!) you sound like someone saying "I have lots of black/lationo/gay friends, but..."

[Mascargo]

Probably the electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote.

This isn't anything new, and is the currently acceptable under the system in place.

Until it's changed, this can, will, and will continue to happen in the future and we all either need to accept this or work peacefully to change it.

I agree. I believe electoral change has been something a long time coming now. 2000 even showed that.

[Free Missouri]

This isn't anything new, and is the currently acceptable under the system in place.

Until it's changed, this can, will, and will continue to happen in the future and we all either need to accept this or work peacefully to change it.

I agree. I believe electoral change has been something a long time coming now. 2000 even showed that.

I disagree. We can't allow a pure popular vote system because a) that totally goes against the set up of our government as a republic and B) that will open us to a horrible tyranny of the Majority.

[Karjin]

I'd just like to remind everyone that this thread was meant to debate specifically about the morality and legality of what the author advocated for.

There are other threads for broader political discussion.

[United States of Natan]

Trump will destroy and abolish the democratic process.

Ok... enough with the hyperbole, allright, I mean I was on the "they're both satan" train too up until last night, but it's time for the hyperbole to STOP

I was on the "Hillary is the best candidate" train. I actually truly supported her.

And I don't think it's hyperbole. The Republicans now have control of all 3 branches of government. If you actually believe for a second that they won't use that to try and protect their victories and add onto them in 2018 and 2020 by any means necessary, even rigging the elections, then I don't think you're really looking at the big picture here, which is that the republicans now have free reign and full control of the federal government, and likely won't want to give it up, especially considering that Trump and their party are so unpopular right now, as are their policies, that there is now an incredibly likely chance that the Democrats will retake Congress in 2018, and the Presidency in 2020. You're sorely mistaken if you think they aren't aware, or that they won't be aware of this in 2018, and that they'll just stand by and take it. I'm sure they're already plotting how to remain in power for the next 2 years in the face of an increasingly more liberal electorate and a likely impending Democratic 116th Congress, as well as a likely impending President Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

[Socialist Nordia]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

Quick question, what unfair system got Trump elected? Don't take this in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious.

The electoral college. It propelled Trump to victory even though Hillary got more popular votes. I see that as unfair, but I understand if democracy isn't important to some people.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I agree. I believe electoral change has been something a long time coming now. 2000 even showed that.

I disagree. We can't allow a pure popular vote system because a) that totally goes against the set up of our government as a republic and B) that will open us to a horrible tyranny of the Majority.

I'm sorry, but why should the minority rule the majority again?

That literally makes no logical sense.

[Socialist Nordia]

Probably the electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote.

This isn't anything new, and is the currently acceptable under the system in place.

Until it's changed, this can, will, and will continue to happen in the future and we all either need to accept this or work peacefully to change it.

Exactly, that's why people need to peacefully protest it in huge numbers, doing what they can to keep another 2000 or 2016 from happening.

[Salus Maior]

Really? Trump is not Hitler.

I don't approve of Trump at all, don't get me wrong...

Well, don't get *me* wrong, but (there is always "but"!) you sound like someone saying "I have lots of black/lationo/gay friends, but..."

Then you're making unfair assumptions. Not much different than Trump's "all illegal immigrants are rapists" statement. You're a grade-A hypocrite.

I wanted Bernie Sanders, for the record. I just have a realistic picture of the world that isn't spoon-fed to me by the media.

[Mascargo]

I agree. I believe electoral change has been something a long time coming now. 2000 even showed that.

I disagree. We can't allow a pure popular vote system because a) that totally goes against the set up of our government as a republic and B) that will open us to a horrible tyranny of the Majority.

There's definitely a lot of room for argument, I will concede. Though I think having a national conversation on the system will be beneficial, even if we retain it.

[Socialist Nordia]

I agree. I believe electoral change has been something a long time coming now. 2000 even showed that.

I disagree. We can't allow a pure popular vote system because a) that totally goes against the set up of our government as a republic and B) that will open us to a horrible tyranny of the Majority.

Because tyranny by minirity is better?

[Trollgaard]

Geeze, the butthurt is reaaaaaaaaaal.

[Internationalist Bastard]

As a message from someone who hates the man, no it aint.

[Salus Maior]

Quick question, what unfair system got Trump elected? Don't take this in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious.

The electoral college. It propelled Trump to victory even though Hillary got more popular votes. I see that as unfair, but I understand if democracy isn't important to some people.

Tell me, what if the majority of people voted Trump, but the Electoral College got Hillary in? Would you still say that it's unfair? No, you wouldn't, you would have been glad that the minority were allowed a chance over the hordes of others.

[Socialist Nordia]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

You better hope people don't start looking into the election, because if they do they may find some of Hillary's votes are fraudulent. It's been a tremor that's just hard to ignore.

You're still pushing that fake narrative of widespread voter fraud?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... t-problem/

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/up ... pread.html

[Mascargo]

I'm sure they're already plotting how to remain in power for the next 2 years in the face of an increasingly more liberal electorate and a likely impending Democratic 116th Congress, as well as a likely impending President Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

Isn't this the goal of every politician in power? The status quo. I don't think anyone elected to a public office isn't already thinking how to keep their office.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The electoral college. It propelled Trump to victory even though Hillary got more popular votes. I see that as unfair, but I understand if democracy isn't important to some people.

Tell me, what if the majority of people voted Trump, but the Electoral College got Hillary in? Would you still say that it's unfair? No, you wouldn't, you would have been glad that the minority were allowed a chance over the hordes of others.

Well allow me to stwp in. I hate both candidates and have said the system is bullshit for years. So my response is the same. abullshit sustem is bullshit

[Socialist Nordia]

The electoral college. It propelled Trump to victory even though Hillary got more popular votes. I see that as unfair, but I understand if democracy isn't important to some people.

Tell me, what if the majority of people voted Trump, but the Electoral College got Hillary in? Would you still say that it's unfair? No, you wouldn't, you would have been glad that the minority were allowed a chance over the hordes of others.

Nice hypothetical assumption with no basis. I've been railing against it for years, pal. It's not new for me. This just gives me renewed enthusiasm. Now, if we could get back to reality...

[Salus Maior]

Tell me, what if the majority of people voted Trump, but the Electoral College got Hillary in? Would you still say that it's unfair? No, you wouldn't, you would have been glad that the minority were allowed a chance over the hordes of others.

Well allow me to stwp in. I hate both candidates and have said the system is bullshit for years. So my response is the same. abullshit sustem is bullshit

As a critic of this system and democracy in general, I agree with you.

That doesn't change the legitimacy of Trump's win.

[Sharania]

Imo the last FBI thing is what sank Clinton, and that didn't come from Wikileaks.

They proved nothing

Is there any proof of that anyways? Russia may not have liked Clinton but did they outright support Trump?

Yes - with their hacks, propaganda and money.

[Iffria]

Apparently Trump is going to restore Hawaii back to its place as a nation with a working government, so I'm still rooting for him, as I consider myself A Hawaiian national.

[Mascargo]

Well allow me to stwp in. I hate both candidates and have said the system is bullshit for years. So my response is the same. abullshit sustem is bullshit

As a critic of this system and democracy in general, I agree with you.

That doesn't change the legitimacy of Trump's win.

You can advocate the change of the electoral college while still recognizing that Trump won fairly. It's not a one-way street.