"Violence to Protest Against Trump a Logical Response"

[Sharania]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

[Transoxthraxia]

Yeah, calling out illegal immigrants is racist, I forgot.

It wouldn't matter if they were Chinese, Black, Mexican, or other, they wouldn't be any less of a burden on the present system, which, of course, is what Trump plans to fix.

"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people" was part of it, sure.

There was also the overt bigotry against muslim people for being muslim.

Yeah, it's not like the statistics points to an overwhelming rise in violent and sexual crime in all of the nations that they're let into.

Disclaimer: Obviously not all Muslims are violent rapists.

[Salus Maior]

If you believe in democracy at all than you have to accept the fact that some times you lose. End of story.

Raising a violent revolt just because the person you supported lost is contrary to the basic principals upon which a modern republic is founded.

And when you still lose despite receiving more votes from the people? Doesn't seem all that democratic to me.

There have been Presidents in the past that have won this way. That's just the way our system works.

Electoral votes just matter more.

[Galloism]

...


Ok i've been grumpy all day, but this actually made me smile.

I meant Gargamel LOL
I'm assuming you were pointing out my mistake?

No, actually I was imagining Gilgamesh (like from Final Fantasy) eating smurfs.

[Sharania]

Do I need to repeat my fucking comment about the Hyperbole. Stop this "oh he's a puppet" bullshit, please. You're not heroes or anything for trying to topple a pseudo-fascist because your tyrannical candidate didn't win.

Who do you call a "tyrannical candidate"?

[Transoxthraxia]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

Slippery slope arguments don't work here, since Trump is not a Nazi. Nor is he even fucking remotely close to a Nazi.

[Yugo-Austria]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

Nothing like the holocaust is going to happen, pal. The only reason Hitler got away with it is because he kept it hidden, and human rights weren't the biggest thing on people's to-do list. Now there are huge organizations for it. That being said, even if Trump tried, I'm sure the other branches of our gov't would be horrified and block/impeach him.

[Free Missouri]

Do I need to repeat my fucking comment about the Hyperbole. Stop this "oh he's a puppet" bullshit, please. You're not heroes or anything for trying to topple a pseudo-fascist because your tyrannical candidate didn't win.

Who do you call a "tyrannical candidate"?

The woman who wants more wars, who wants to completely eviscerate the second amendment.

I mean both candidates want/wanted to eliminate the 4th (NSA, Stop and Frisk, TSA), 5th (No Fly List/Terrorist Watch lists), 1st (PC bullshit/Anti-Journalist bullshit). Only Hillary has stated that she wants to nominate someone to overturn Heller.

[Mascargo]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

Oh joy, false equivalence.

[Sharania]

Slippery slope arguments don't work here, since Trump is not a Nazi. Nor is he even fucking remotely close to a Nazi.

From linked article:

The rise of Donald Trump has exposed the frightening underbelly of America’s foulest tendencies. Our racism, nativism, xenophobia, misogyny, Islamophobia, ableism, and propensity toward authoritarianism have been laid bare. Reactions from those who stand opposed to these manifestations of oppression have varied from calm condemnation and routine peaceful protests, to blockades of roads and borderline riotous outbursts, including sporadic violence in various cities.

This isn’t a coincidence.

There are so many examples of Trump inciting violence the New York Times put together this video documenting some of them. A powerful video juxtaposing his longing for the violence against protestors from the “good ol’ days” with images from the Civil Rights Era recently went viral. There’s been an upswing in anti-Muslim hate crimes that correlates with his candidacy—including several offenders who cite him as their inspiration. Another of his supporters beat an unhoused Latino man. Yet another sucker punched a demonstrator at a rally and then, more alarmingly, went on to say, “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” Trump has not just flagrantly violated the typical boundaries of political discourse, his candidacy is linked to multiple instances of violence. It shouldn’t be a surprise that opposition to him has responded in kind. Yet, a lot of people seem shocked and appalled at this perfectly logical reaction. In the face of media, politicians, and GOP primary voters normalizing Trump as a presidential candidate—whatever your personal beliefs regarding violent resistance—there’s an inherent value in forestalling Trump’s normalization. Violent resistance accomplishes this. In spite of this, such resistance is apparently more offensive and unacceptable to societal norms and liberal sensibilities than the nastiness being resisted in the first place.

and

Trump might not be a fascist in the 20th century European sense of the term—though many of his supporters are—but he might represent its 21st century US version. There’s no doubt he’s expanded the Overton Window to include rhetoric previously well outside its bounds. His calls for a “deportation force“ to expel 11+ million people from the country, his claims that most Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals, his calls to keep databases of Muslims and to enact a total ban on Muslims entering the country, his rampant sexism, his mocking people with disabilities, and his propensity for lying have brought the already pathetic state of US political discourse to astoundingly precarious lows. Treating this like politics as usual allows it to become politics as usual, and those who do so risk complicity ushering in a new era of fascist politics in the United States. Violence that takes place at Trump rallies—in support or opposition—is a reaction to the tone he’s set, and the blame for it should land primarily on his shoulders. As awful as Ted Cruz is, and he’s genuinely terrible, like there’s no way to overemphasize how terribly awful Ted Cruz is—politically, personally, as a colleague, a roommate, a presidential candidate... I mean he’s really the worst. But if he was the presumptive GOP nominee things wouldn’t look this way.

And how we can't mention:

He’s the natural consequence of, among other things, Republicans longstanding embrace of racism, perpetual attacks on the credibility of media, scientists, and the federal government, defunding public education, railing against so-called PC culture, and using immigrants as scape goats. Defeating these systems of power and their underlying apparatuses—think tanks, conservative radio, Fox News, the Tea Party, etc.—is a much longer-term and more demanding task than assuring Trump isn’t elected. Taking on the attitudes that drive them is even more difficult. Assuming anti-Trump protests should be strictly focused on electoral politics and not these broader goals would be a detrimental oversight. Understanding European anti-fascists use of violent tactics to shut down large rallies from White Supremacists can be illustrative here. Because while Trump isn’t leading full bore White Supremacist rallies, there is value in making it clear that even his fascism-lite has no place in civilized society. And whether his candidacy represents how fascism comes to the US or he’s simply opened the door to it is immaterial. Either should be stopped post haste.

Am I the only one who read the article?

[Galloism]

"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people" was part of it, sure.

There was also the overt bigotry against muslim people for being muslim.

Yeah, it's not like the statistics points to an overwhelming rise in violent and sexual crime in all of the nations that they're let into.

Disclaimer: Obviously not all Muslims are violent rapists.

But we need to ban all of them, and kick out the ones here on Visas, and insult their parents if they die fighting in a war on our side, and kill them if they happen to be related to a terrorist.

Perfectly normal stuff.

[Salus Maior]

As far away from your fearmongering as possible. In the land of Reason.

"When they came for the Jews I was silent, for I was not one of them..."

Really? Trump is not Hitler.

I don't approve of Trump at all, don't get me wrong, but the truth is that if you really think he's going to round people up into camps or deport millions of people, you're living in a fantasy world. He's not capable of that, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for him to accomplish that. Not in our country.

The President simply does not hold that power.

The fact is, we're going to have a sucky president for 4 years then he's going to be voted out. That's not worth being violent over, or seceding over (I see what you're doing, California. Stop it, you're stupid).

[The first Galactic Republic]

Trump getting elected is democracy. It is crucial to a democracy that people don't try to destroy the system because the guy they didn't like got elected.

NSG didn't have any sympathy for the Trump fans that said they'd riot if he lost.

It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?

Imo the last FBI thing is what sank Clinton, and that didn't come from Wikileaks.

Is there any proof of that anyways? Russia may not have liked Clinton but did they outright support Trump?

[Sharania]

Nothing like the holocaust is going to happen, pal. The only reason Hitler got away with it is because he kept it hidden, and human rights weren't the biggest thing on people's to-do list. Now there are huge organizations for it. That being said, even if Trump tried, I'm sure the other branches of our gov't would be horrified and block/impeach him.

1) You know that the Germans were anti-Semitic back in the 1930s? Hitler and his gang only turned it up to 11?

2) Have you read that this summer alt-right types attacked Jewish journalists on-line for daring to expose Trump and his family dirty laundry? Are you denying the anti-Semitic undercurrent in Trump's fan base?

[Free Missouri]

It was *exactly* an act of restoring a democracy when the people of Ukaine rose and toppled the puppet from the Kremlin, who wanted to turn them into Moscow's vassals back in 2014. Trump's status as Kremlin's stooge is long time confirmed. What are you talking about now?

Imo the last FBI thing is what sank Clinton, and that didn't come from Wikileaks.

Is there any proof of that anyways? Russia may not have liked Clinton but did they outright support Trump?

It was more like the announcement that Obamacare (which clinton said she'd double down on) was going to hike premiums AGAIN is what put the nails in her coffins. The working class that don't get healthcare handouts from the exchanges are hurting and this is them saying "stop this madness." Hence why he won the rust belt.

[Roman Catholic Britain]

No, Tyranny of the Majority is an evil the founding fathers realized. Let Trump be president and have everyone give him a chance for pete's sake.
Democrats...even Hilary is saying this...she says she will continue her agenda...party agenda, but Trump is legally, officially elected.

[Salus Maior]

Nothing like the holocaust is going to happen, pal. The only reason Hitler got away with it is because he kept it hidden, and human rights weren't the biggest thing on people's to-do list. Now there are huge organizations for it. That being said, even if Trump tried, I'm sure the other branches of our gov't would be horrified and block/impeach him.

1) You know that the Germans were anti-Semitic back in the 1930s? Hitler and his gang only turned it up to 11?

2) Have you read that this summer alt-right types attacked Jewish journalists on-line for daring to expose Trump and his family dirty laundry? Are you denying the anti-Semitic undercurrent in Trump's fan base?

Actually German antisemitism has a longer and more complicated history. And it does not apply here.

No one I've personally met who was Pro-Trump was antisemitic. Most people who voted for him voted for him because of Hillary's corruption scandals and the border security issue. Nothing antisemitic about either.

[Socialist Nordia]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

[Karjin]

Slippery slope arguments don't work here, since Trump is not a Nazi. Nor is he even fucking remotely close to a Nazi.

From linked article:

The rise of Donald Trump has exposed the frightening underbelly of America’s foulest tendencies. Our racism, nativism, xenophobia, misogyny, Islamophobia, ableism, and propensity toward authoritarianism have been laid bare. Reactions from those who stand opposed to these manifestations of oppression have varied from calm condemnation and routine peaceful protests, to blockades of roads and borderline riotous outbursts, including sporadic violence in various cities.

This isn’t a coincidence.

There are so many examples of Trump inciting violence the New York Times put together this video documenting some of them. A powerful video juxtaposing his longing for the violence against protestors from the “good ol’ days” with images from the Civil Rights Era recently went viral. There’s been an upswing in anti-Muslim hate crimes that correlates with his candidacy—including several offenders who cite him as their inspiration. Another of his supporters beat an unhoused Latino man. Yet another sucker punched a demonstrator at a rally and then, more alarmingly, went on to say, “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” Trump has not just flagrantly violated the typical boundaries of political discourse, his candidacy is linked to multiple instances of violence. It shouldn’t be a surprise that opposition to him has responded in kind. Yet, a lot of people seem shocked and appalled at this perfectly logical reaction. In the face of media, politicians, and GOP primary voters normalizing Trump as a presidential candidate—whatever your personal beliefs regarding violent resistance—there’s an inherent value in forestalling Trump’s normalization. Violent resistance accomplishes this. In spite of this, such resistance is apparently more offensive and unacceptable to societal norms and liberal sensibilities than the nastiness being resisted in the first place.

and

Trump might not be a fascist in the 20th century European sense of the term—though many of his supporters are—but he might represent its 21st century US version. There’s no doubt he’s expanded the Overton Window to include rhetoric previously well outside its bounds. His calls for a “deportation force“ to expel 11+ million people from the country, his claims that most Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals, his calls to keep databases of Muslims and to enact a total ban on Muslims entering the country, his rampant sexism, his mocking people with disabilities, and his propensity for lying have brought the already pathetic state of US political discourse to astoundingly precarious lows. Treating this like politics as usual allows it to become politics as usual, and those who do so risk complicity ushering in a new era of fascist politics in the United States. Violence that takes place at Trump rallies—in support or opposition—is a reaction to the tone he’s set, and the blame for it should land primarily on his shoulders. As awful as Ted Cruz is, and he’s genuinely terrible, like there’s no way to overemphasize how terribly awful Ted Cruz is—politically, personally, as a colleague, a roommate, a presidential candidate... I mean he’s really the worst. But if he was the presumptive GOP nominee things wouldn’t look this way.

And howe we can't mention:

He’s the natural consequence of, among other things, Republicans longstanding embrace of racism, perpetual attacks on the credibility of media, scientists, and the federal government, defunding public education, railing against so-called PC culture, and using immigrants as scape goats. Defeating these systems of power and their underlying apparatuses—think tanks, conservative radio, Fox News, the Tea Party, etc.—is a much longer-term and more demanding task than assuring Trump isn’t elected. Taking on the attitudes that drive them is even more difficult. Assuming anti-Trump protests should be strictly focused on electoral politics and not these broader goals would be a detrimental oversight. Understanding European anti-fascists use of violent tactics to shut down large rallies from White Supremacists can be illustrative here. Because while Trump isn’t leading full bore White Supremacist rallies, there is value in making it clear that even his fascism-lite has no place in civilized society. And whether his candidacy represents how fascism comes to the US or he’s simply opened the door to it is immaterial. Either should be stopped post haste.

Am I the only one who read the article?

Sorry, I have to stop you a little bit there. That article (and HuffPost in about 80% of its articles) have a moderate to strong leftist bias.

Here's about the exact same story with a right wing spin on it.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Isn't the people calling for what basically amounts to open rebellion and violence because they lost the election, the same people who I just listened for months on end now decry Trump supporters as barbaric "Deplorables" and such?

Hmmmm....

[Salus Maior]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

Dude, even Hillary herself is saying that Trump got the presidency fairly and legally.

This isn't the first time a President has been elected this way, and it probably won't be the last.

[San Poland]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

Quick question, what unfair system got Trump elected? Don't take this in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious.

[Sharania]

The woman who wants more wars...

No! It's called "right 2 protect".

[Mascargo]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

Quick question, what unfair system got Trump elected? Don't take this in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious.

Probably the electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

I hope Clinton supporters come out in huge numbers to protest peacefully against Trump's election and the unfair system that got him there.

You better hope people don't start looking into the election, because if they do they may find some of Hillary's votes are fraudulent. It's been a tremor that's just hard to ignore.