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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
When did I say that?

By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s


or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Interesting. Because Trump did say a one point that he wanted an Internet kill switch/monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.


I never said Trump was good on the topic, just that I think he'll be better than Clinton. He can try and set up an Internet kill switch all he wants, he'll be disappointed to learn that's now quite how it works :lol:

I think it was a one time thing. He said it back during the republican primary debates and hasn't mentioned it since. He must have read How the Internet Works for Dummies
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:33 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Actually sounds like reasonable stuff to feel nostalgic about. Plus, Eisenhower.


What about all the bad stuff of the 50s, though?


Every era has its bad side, and most of the things people complain about the 50s were not inherent to it; however, the golden age like economic prosperity mostly was.
San Lumen wrote:and abortion was illegal, LGBT people had no rights, African Americans couldn't vote in the South. Your ok with all of that?


I'm indifferent towards abortion, I mostly support it if the mother is in danger. However, again, banned or not I'm neutral.

So you're ok with: Segregation, racism, sexism, blackballing or imprisoning other for their political beliefs, another global superpower, homophobia, and lack advanced technology?

All of those were staples of the 50's after all.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:33 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.


We do that already

We should do less
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:34 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s


or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

You do know that there were multiple areas that accepted LGBT individuals before America was founded, right?
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Postby Mattopilos » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:34 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s


or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed


Not making a great point for yourself, here. It means the laws in America are jank.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:35 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s


or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

It's ironic that people think of the 50's as a racist, sexist, whatever decade because that was the decade where civil rights movements really started to fight these things.

The English settlers coming over in the 1600's were just as prejudiced, but because there wasn't a civil rights movement back then we remember them for Turkeys and Squanto.
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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Every era has its bad side, and most of the things people complain about the 50s were not inherent to it; however, the golden age like economic prosperity mostly was.


I'm indifferent towards abortion, I mostly support it if the mother is in danger. However, again, banned or not I'm neutral.

So you're ok with: Segregation, racism, sexism, blackballing or imprisoning other for their political beliefs, another global superpower, homophobia, and lack advanced technology?

All of those were staples of the 50's after all.


Lets just hate every single time period and not look at the positives then.

New haven america wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

You do know that there were multiple areas that accepted LGBT individuals before America was founded, right?


That's nice.

Mattopilos wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed


Not making a great point for yourself, here. It means the laws in America are jank.


It means the "sexism, racism, [insert list of bad shit here]" isn't inherent to a single point of American history.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:36 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s


or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

Well that's why no LGBT and black Americans want to go back to the 50's because we where treated like shit.

And actually depending on where ya lived you could have been ok as an LGBT person in the pre-American/ancient times.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:37 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Interesting. Because Trump did say a one point that he wanted an Internet kill switch/monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.


I never said Trump was good on the topic, just that I think he'll be better than Clinton. He can try and set up an Internet kill switch all he wants, he'll be disappointed to learn that's now quite how it works :lol:

Actually, while it's not possible to set up a kill switch, it is very much possible to restrict or monitor the Internet, similar to how China restricts/monitors it or how NK has set up an Intranet.
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Postby Dushan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:37 pm

The 1970s and 1980s were kinda cool. Good Music and stuff.
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Postby Mattopilos » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:38 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote: -snip-

Is inherent to America, though. Still is, depending where you go.
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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
or 40s

or 30s

or 20s

or the entire 1800s

or before America existed

Well that's why no LGBT and black Americans want to go back to the 50's because we where treated like shit.

And actually depending on where ya lived you could have been ok as an LGBT person in the pre-American/ancient times.


And no one is calling to go back to segregation and prosecution.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I never said Trump was good on the topic, just that I think he'll be better than Clinton. He can try and set up an Internet kill switch all he wants, he'll be disappointed to learn that's now quite how it works :lol:

Actually, while it's not possible to set up a kill switch, it is very much possible to restrict or monitor the Internet, similar to how China restricts/monitors it or how NK has set up an Intranet.


Sure, and we already greatly monitor the Internet. I don't see him doing anything too crazy on that front myself.

Dushan wrote:The 1970s and 1980s were kinda cool. Good Music and stuff.


The 1980's were the best, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:39 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I never said Trump was good on the topic, just that I think he'll be better than Clinton. He can try and set up an Internet kill switch all he wants, he'll be disappointed to learn that's now quite how it works :lol:

Actually, while it's not possible to set up a kill switch, it is very much possible to restrict or monitor the Internet, similar to how China restricts/monitors it or how NK has set up an Intranet.

In NK nobody but the higher ups are allowed to have a computer, let alone access the Internet.
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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Dushan wrote:The 1970s and 1980s were kinda cool. Good Music and stuff.


Reagan 80s were indeed glorious.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, while it's not possible to set up a kill switch, it is very much possible to restrict or monitor the Internet, similar to how China restricts/monitors it or how NK has set up an Intranet.

In NK nobody but the higher ups are allowed to have a computer, let alone access the Internet.

Are you sure? I think there are a few North Korean sites set up for the average person.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:40 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:In NK nobody but the higher ups are allowed to have a computer, let alone access the Internet.

Are you sure? I think there are a few North Korean sites set up for the average person.


They can access computers at public areas like schools but only the higher ups really own them at home.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, while it's not possible to set up a kill switch, it is very much possible to restrict or monitor the Internet, similar to how China restricts/monitors it or how NK has set up an Intranet.


Sure, and we already greatly monitor the Internet. I don't see him doing anything too crazy on that front myself.

Dushan wrote:The 1970s and 1980s were kinda cool. Good Music and stuff.


The 1980's were the best, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.

I like the 90's. No Cold War, booming economy, and presidents getting off in the oval.
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Postby Yorkers » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:41 pm

Neuroticism, paranoia, and a brooding sense that Americans just told them to go fuck themselves.

To say the least, I'm feeling Machiavellian.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:41 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well that's why no LGBT and black Americans want to go back to the 50's because we where treated like shit.

And actually depending on where ya lived you could have been ok as an LGBT person in the pre-American/ancient times.


And no one is calling to go back to segregation and prosecution.

Well there are a few nuts who do are but they aren't in power.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:42 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
New haven america wrote:So you're ok with: Segregation, racism, sexism, blackballing or imprisoning other for their political beliefs, another global superpower, homophobia, and lack advanced technology?

All of those were staples of the 50's after all.


1.Lets just hate every single time period and not look at the positives then.

New haven america wrote:You do know that there were multiple areas that accepted LGBT individuals before America was founded, right?


2.That's nice.

1. Well, yeah, excluding the Trump election this is historically the best time to be alive socially and economically in the US.
1A. It's "Let's", not "Lets".

2. Yes, and it shows how you're wrong. I'm glad you're taking this loss so well.
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Postby Yorkers » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The 1980's were the best, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.


The 1980s had the best music, aesthetic, and youth culture.

However, the 1950s top it when it comes to economics, and the 1920s top it when it comes to politics.
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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:44 pm

New haven america wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
1.Lets just hate every single time period and not look at the positives then.



2.That's nice.

1. Well, yeah, excluding the Trump election this is historically the best time to be alive socially and economically in the US.
1A. It's "Let's", not "Lets".

2. Yes, and it shows how you're wrong. I'm glad you're taking this loss so well.


I don't see how, I'm not the one nitpicking grammar.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure, and we already greatly monitor the Internet. I don't see him doing anything too crazy on that front myself.



The 1980's were the best, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.

I like the 90's. No Cold War, booming economy, and presidents getting off in the oval.


pffft, the Cold War was the best

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:The 1980's were the best, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.


The 1980s had the best music, aesthetic, and youth culture.

However, the 1950s top it when it comes to economics, and the 1920s top it when it comes to politics.


I dunno, the 1980's were a pretty good time to be making gats :p
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