Why do people have a dystopian outlook of a trump presidency

[San Lumen]

My biggest fears are:

1) He will attempt to reset relations with Russia and end up harming our national interests and relations with close allies through fruitless compromises.
2) He will torpedo the Paris Agreement by cutting climate change funding for developing countries and by pulling the US out of the agreement.
3) He will harm American credibility and strengthen extremist movements by doing pointless, counterproductive shit like introducing Muslim registries/bans and reintroducing torture.
4) He will make good on his dumbass trade promises and actually pull the US out of WTO or NAFTA if he doesn't get what he wants in negotiations.
5) He will cede global leadership on issues like free trade and global warming to China.
6) He will cause serious diplomatic incidents by opening his big mouth and saying dumb shit.

Nuclear war is not on my list of worries, at least for now. If he starts acting like a compete moron or actually pushes for more nuclear proliferation, I will start worrying

I have pretty much the same concerns, plus my worries that his economic illiteracy will lead to a repeat of 2008.

I agree and if a repeat of 2008 happens most likely not going to reelected but after this election I dont have much faith in the american public.

[IceBuddha]

I'm also worried about the potential for new mass surveillance or anti-cryptography legislation getting passed through Congress. To be fair, Clinton wasn't exactly a great alternative there.

I doubt he will be able to "open up the libel laws" in order to sue his media critics, but that would be pretty terrifying if it happened.

There's also the possible issue of an anti-First Amendment Christian fundie ending up on the SCOTUS. Please just appoint a regular conservative, Trump.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Maybe they just like it in a historical context.

People devote their lives to ancient Egypt and no one lived through that.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure most devoted students of ancient Egypt don't support political candidates who promise to drag the world back to ancient times.

I don't know if Trumpy truly harkens back to those times.

Though this is a few years later, when Nixon was elected he actually dismantled the Great Society. Trump ran on a platform of dismantling Obamacare but now his policy on it is "ehhh".

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I have pretty much the same concerns, plus my worries that his economic illiteracy will lead to a repeat of 2008.

I agree and if a repeat of 2008 happens most likely not going to reelected but after this election I dont have much faith in the american public.

We elected Andrew Jackson, who did exactly the same shit Trump did on a more localized scale. Deported the Cherokee and Creek to a hellhole, destabilized the economy, created a cult of personality around himself as the representative of the people. We survived him and besides, America elected FDR! Don't panic.
America is gonna be cool.
Besides recessions happen every 8 years nowadays. We're almost overdue!

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm also worried about the potential for new mass surveillance or anti-cryptography legislation getting passed through Congress. To be fair, Clinton wasn't exactly a great alternative there. I doubt he will be able to "open up the libel laws" in order to sue his media critics, but that would be pretty terrifying if it happened

I actually think Trump will be better on the mass surveillance and cryptography front than Clinton, not much but still a bit better. Apart from her desire to repeal PLCAA that was one of the biggest problems I had with her.

[BB-61 Iowa]

I don't have to live through a time period to appreciate it.

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.

I'm also worried about the potential for new mass surveillance or anti-cryptography legislation getting passed through Congress. To be fair, Clinton wasn't exactly a great alternative there. I doubt he will be able to "open up the libel laws" in order to sue his media critics, but that would be pretty terrifying if it happened

I actually think Trump will be better on the mass surveillance and cryptography front than Clinton, not much but still a bit better. Apart from her desire to repeal PLCAA that was one of the biggest problems I had with her.

Long as Trump kills TPP, TIPP and enacts protectionism I'm good.

[Liriena]

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.

Actually sounds like reasonable stuff to feel nostalgic about. Plus, Eisenhower.


What about all the bad stuff of the 50s, though?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.

Wouldn't be a bad thing to have those.

[San Lumen]

I agree and if a repeat of 2008 happens most likely not going to reelected but after this election I dont have much faith in the american public.

We elected Andrew Jackson, who did exactly the same shit Trump did on a more localized scale. Deported the Cherokee and Creek to a hellhole, destabilized the economy, created a cult of personality around himself as the representative of the people. We survived him and besides, America elected FDR! Don't panic.
America is gonna be cool.
Besides recessions happen every 8 years nowadays. We're almost overdue!

Yes but we've never had a president that's threatens to cause nuclear war or disregards science.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

We elected Andrew Jackson, who did exactly the same shit Trump did on a more localized scale. Deported the Cherokee and Creek to a hellhole, destabilized the economy, created a cult of personality around himself as the representative of the people. We survived him and besides, America elected FDR! Don't panic.
America is gonna be cool.
Besides recessions happen every 8 years nowadays. We're almost overdue!

Yes but we've never had a president that's threatens to cause nuclear war or disregards science.

Okay, there's that...That will definitely be a problem we will have to work our way around. Somehow.

[San Lumen]

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.

I actually think Trump will be better on the mass surveillance and cryptography front than Clinton, not much but still a bit better. Apart from her desire to repeal PLCAA that was one of the biggest problems I had with her.

Long as Trump kills TPP, TIPP and enacts protectionism I'm good.

and abortion was illegal, LGBT people had no rights, African Americans couldn't vote in the South. Your ok with all of that?

[San Lumen]

Yes but we've never had a president that's threatens to cause nuclear war or disregards science.

Okay, there's that...That will definitely be a problem we will have to work our way around. Somehow.

I just hope since his wife and son won't be Washington he will think twice about doing something that causes the destruction of New York.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.



Long as Trump kills TPP, TIPP and enacts protectionism I'm good.

and abortion was illegal, LGBT people had no rights, African Americans couldn't vote in the South. Your ok with all of that?

You know why do people always think of that stuff when they think of the 50's? That stuff was present for almost the entirety of American history. If anything the 50's should get points for progress, because that's when people really started to challenge that stuff in many ways.

[Thermodolia]

I'm also worried about the potential for new mass surveillance or anti-cryptography legislation getting passed through Congress. To be fair, Clinton wasn't exactly a great alternative there. I doubt he will be able to "open up the libel laws" in order to sue his media critics, but that would be pretty terrifying if it happened

I actually think Trump will be better on the mass surveillance and cryptography front than Clinton, not much but still a bit better. Apart from her desire to repeal PLCAA that was one of the biggest problems I had with her.

How so?

[Thermodolia]

Okay, there's that...That will definitely be a problem we will have to work our way around. Somehow.

I just hope since his wife and son won't be Washington he will think twice about doing something that causes the destruction of New York.

Well apparently he really loves his own bed in Trump Tower, I mean who doesn't. So I don't think he's going to do that.

[BB-61 Iowa]

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.

Actually sounds like reasonable stuff to feel nostalgic about. Plus, Eisenhower.


What about all the bad stuff of the 50s, though?

Every era has its bad side, and most of the things people complain about the 50s were not inherent to it; however, the golden age like economic prosperity mostly was.

Good wealth distribution, strong nuclear family, classy fashion, loved the industrial design, college education was essentially a job guarantee.

Some neat things we could use today.



Long as Trump kills TPP, TIPP and enacts protectionism I'm good.

and abortion was illegal, LGBT people had no rights, African Americans couldn't vote in the South. Your ok with all of that?

I'm indifferent towards abortion, I mostly support it if the mother is in danger. However, again, banned or not I'm neutral.

[San Lumen]

I just hope since his wife and son won't be Washington he will think twice about doing something that causes the destruction of New York.

Well apparently he really loves his own bed in Trump Tower, I mean who doesn't. So I don't think he's going to do that.

That alleviates my concern about Nuclear war slightly but i still worry about his temperament.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I actually think Trump will be better on the mass surveillance and cryptography front than Clinton, not much but still a bit better. Apart from her desire to repeal PLCAA that was one of the biggest problems I had with her.

How so?

Clinton voted for the PATRIOT act, she was calling for a Manhattan project equivalent for breaking encryption, if I'm not mistaken at one point she called for more online surveillance of social media and of those who travel to countries with active terror groups etc.

Trump might not be very good but I actually think this is one area he has Clinton beat.

[San Lumen]

Actually sounds like reasonable stuff to feel nostalgic about. Plus, Eisenhower.


What about all the bad stuff of the 50s, though?

Every era has its bad side, and most of the things people complain about the 50s were not inherent to it; however, the golden age like economic prosperity mostly was.

and abortion was illegal, LGBT people had no rights, African Americans couldn't vote in the South. Your ok with all of that?

I'm indifferent towards abortion, I mostly support it if the mother is in danger. However, again, banned or not I'm neutral.

So if I was unable to marry or have children you'd be ok with it? You'd be fine with me and millions of others being second class citizens?

[BB-61 Iowa]

Every era has its bad side, and most of the things people complain about the 50s were not inherent to it; however, the golden age like economic prosperity mostly was.


I'm indifferent towards abortion, I mostly support it if the mother is in danger. However, again, banned or not I'm neutral.

So if I was unable to marry or have children you'd be ok with it? You'd be fine with me and millions of others being second class citizens?

When did I say that?

[West-Phalia]

So i have read and some are scarred, some are happy, and some just dont give two shits about it. Then some proceed to say Trump will cause ww3 and nuclear war, and ruin some good laws passed in recent years like gay marriage. Then they dont account for congress preventing trumps big fuck ups and make sure Trump's presidency is a positive. Many things will not change and congress can stop executive orders from going into action, and with the divided GOP and the dems in congress they would have a really good chance in shooting down the insane proposals like killing families of terrorists.

So your thoughts?

"Then some proceed to say Trump will cause ww3 and nuclear war..." No, that's Hillary: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/19/hillary-said-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria-could-save-lives-but-a-top-general-said-last-week-it-could-cause-war-with-russia/

[Thermodolia]

How so?

Clinton voted for the PATRIOT act, she was calling for a Manhattan project equivalent for breaking encryption, if I'm not mistaken at one point she called for more online surveillance of social media and of those who travel to countries with active terror groups etc.

Trump might not be very good but I actually think this is one area he has Clinton beat.

Interesting. Because Trump did say a one point that he wanted an Internet kill switch/monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.

[BB-61 Iowa]

Clinton voted for the PATRIOT act, she was calling for a Manhattan project equivalent for breaking encryption, if I'm not mistaken at one point she called for more online surveillance of social media and of those who travel to countries with active terror groups etc.

Trump might not be very good but I actually think this is one area he has Clinton beat.

monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.

We do that already

[Washington Resistance Army]

Clinton voted for the PATRIOT act, she was calling for a Manhattan project equivalent for breaking encryption, if I'm not mistaken at one point she called for more online surveillance of social media and of those who travel to countries with active terror groups etc.

Trump might not be very good but I actually think this is one area he has Clinton beat.

Interesting. Because Trump did say a one point that he wanted an Internet kill switch/monitoring of a good chunk of the Internet.

I never said Trump was good on the topic, just that I think he'll be better than Clinton. He can try and set up an Internet kill switch all he wants, he'll be disappointed to learn that's now quite how it works

[Thermodolia]

So if I was unable to marry or have children you'd be ok with it? You'd be fine with me and millions of others being second class citizens?

When did I say that?

By not saying anything on the fact the LGBT Americans didn't have rights in the 50s