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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:38 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

We're not going to live that long.

What do you mean?

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:40 pm

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The Princes of the Universe wrote:We're not going to live that long.

What do you mean?

Nuclear hellfire.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:42 pm

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San Lumen wrote:What do you mean?

Nuclear hellfire.

I hope and pray you are wrong.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Nuclear hellfire.

I hope and pray you are wrong.

This isn't something I want to be right about.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:...I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor...

I would recommend a statistics class at your nearest local community college. Preferably one where focus is put on the field with regards to its usage in political polling.
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Postby IceBuddha » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:48 pm

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IceBuddha wrote:Clinton had a 3-4 point lead in the final national polls.

She is going to end up winning the PV by 1-2 percentage points. If she had performed 2 points better, she would have won with over 300 electoral votes.

My advice is just to accept it. Trump won the election, Clinton lost.

I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

You know who you sound like?

This guy.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:49 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I hope and pray you are wrong.

This isn't something I want to be right about.

I dont disagree

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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:50 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

You know who you sound like?

This guy.


He sounds like he should be president.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:52 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

You know who you sound like?

This guy.

No only Trump supporters are like that.

His detractors hold their chins too high to stoop so low. Right guys?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:54 pm

I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:55 pm

I don't have that view.

In the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, Nietzsche conceptualizes the "Ubermensch", one will overcome the life-denying trappings of Christian morality and live life authentically and powerfully despite the herd-morality's intransigence. Herd morality is a type of self-protecting homogeneity: we all must stay the same in our weakness because we fear one becoming stronger. Globalization has reinforced this cultural, personal, an social homogeneity. Literature, a medium for overcoming this homogeneity (e.g. Camus, Heidegger) is dying under the boot of a world where information is increasingly accessible, yet increasingly condensed. Donald Trump, despite his flaws, will serve in firm opposition to the nefarious effects of globalism on humanity's existential state. Trump has exercised resounding strategic brilliance throughout his campaign and defied all expectations. What more glorious of a moment is there, than a powerful, unchained individual like Trump seizing the White House in order to reverse this deathly affront to our culture?
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

Lots of tabloids said the same things about Hillary.

Maybe lets not get our news from the HEB (or Wal-Mart) checkout aisle.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:57 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

Lots of tabloids said the same things about Hillary.

Maybe lets not get our news from the HEB checkout aisle.

Someone with his temperament having Nuclear codes keeps me up at night.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

*begins to point out why this is silly*
...
You're absolutely right. You're going to have to be prepared for the wasteland, San Lumen. Shoot me a TG. I can hook you up with some long-term stored food and water supplies, firearms, and various survivalist minutae that you'll undoubtedly be needing in the Mad Max-style dystopia the world shall soon become.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

If that's the case, you'd be one of the lucky ones. The fallout will be what does me in.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:00 pm

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San Lumen wrote:so a candidate who doesnt believe in climate change and has wants to return to the 1950s is ok with you?

The 50s is one of my favorite decades in US history.

Why, exactly? What did you like so much about that decade your probably didn't live through?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:01 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

*begins to point out why this is silly*
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You're absolutely right. You're going to have to be prepared for the wasteland, San Lumen. Shoot me a TG. I can hook you up with some long-term stored food and water supplies, firearms, and various survivalist minutae that you'll undoubtedly be needing in the Mad Max-style dystopia the world shall soon become.
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Tell me why its silly! You trust someone with his temperament having nuclear codes? I sure dont.

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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:The 50s is one of my favorite decades in US history.

Why, exactly? What did you like so much about that decade your probably didn't live through?


I don't have to live through a time period to appreciate it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:04 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I truly fear Trump could start a Nuclear war and my city would be one of the first to be vaporized

*begins to point out why this is silly*
...
You're absolutely right. You're going to have to be prepared for the wasteland, San Lumen. Shoot me a TG. I can hook you up with some long-term stored food and water supplies, firearms, and various survivalist minutae that you'll undoubtedly be needing in the Mad Max-style dystopia the world shall soon become.
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You trying to muscle in on my business m80? I'm the only firearms dealer on this forum :p
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:07 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why, exactly? What did you like so much about that decade your probably didn't live through?


I don't have to live through a time period to appreciate it.

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
BB-61 Iowa wrote:
I don't have to live through a time period to appreciate it.

Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Maybe they just like it in a historical context.

People devote their lives to ancient Egypt and no one lived through that.
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Postby IceBuddha » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:08 pm

My biggest fears are:

1) He will attempt to reset relations with Russia and end up harming our national interests and relations with close allies through fruitless compromises.
2) He will torpedo the Paris Agreement by cutting climate change funding for developing countries and by pulling the US out of the agreement.
3) He will harm American credibility and strengthen extremist movements by doing pointless, counterproductive shit like introducing Muslim registries/bans and reintroducing torture.
4) He will make good on his dumbass trade promises and actually pull the US out of WTO or NAFTA if he doesn't get what he wants in negotiations.
5) He will cede global leadership on issues like free trade and global warming to China.
6) He will cause serious diplomatic incidents by opening his big mouth and saying dumb shit.

Nuclear war is not on my list of worries, at least for now. If he starts acting like a compete moron or actually pushes for more nuclear proliferation, I will start worrying
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:09 pm

IceBuddha wrote:My biggest fears are:

1) He will attempt to reset relations with Russia and end up harming our national interests and relations with close allies through fruitless compromises.
2) He will torpedo the Paris Agreement by cutting climate change funding for developing countries and by pulling the US out of the agreement.
3) He will harm American credibility and strengthen extremist movements by doing stupid, counterproductive shit like Muslim registries/bans and reintroducing torture.
4) He will make good on his dumbass trade promises and actually pull the US out of WTO or NAFTA if he doesn't get what he wants in negotiations.
5) He will cede global leadership on issues like free trade and global warming to China.
6) He will cause serious diplomatic incidents by opening his big mouth and saying dumb shit.

Nuclear war is not on my list of worries, at least for now. If he starts acting like a compete moron or actually pushes for more nuclear proliferation, I will start worrying

Those are pretty reasonable fears.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:10 pm

IceBuddha wrote:My biggest fears are:

1) He will attempt to reset relations with Russia and end up harming our national interests and relations with close allies through fruitless compromises.
2) He will torpedo the Paris Agreement by cutting climate change funding for developing countries and by pulling the US out of the agreement.
3) He will harm American credibility and strengthen extremist movements by doing pointless, counterproductive shit like introducing Muslim registries/bans and reintroducing torture.
4) He will make good on his dumbass trade promises and actually pull the US out of WTO or NAFTA if he doesn't get what he wants in negotiations.
5) He will cede global leadership on issues like free trade and global warming to China.
6) He will cause serious diplomatic incidents by opening his big mouth and saying dumb shit.

Nuclear war is not on my list of worries, at least for now. If he starts acting like a compete moron or actually pushes for more nuclear proliferation, I will start worrying

I have pretty much the same concerns, plus my worries that his economic illiteracy will lead to a repeat of 2008.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:11 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Liriena wrote:Probably not, but I would personally prefer living through a time period before putting on the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Why exactly are the 50s among your favorite decades in US history?

Maybe they just like it in a historical context.

People devote their lives to ancient Egypt and no one lived through that.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure most devoted students of ancient Egypt don't support political candidates who promise to drag the world back to ancient times.
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