Why do people have a dystopian outlook of a trump presidency

[San Lumen]

Umm not by a margin like they did this year. We haven't had a polling miss like this since 1948. The polls in Brexit where within the margin of error.

Hillary lead Sanders in Michigan by 21% in the primaries.

Sanders won by 1.5%

Sanders rigged it, right?

That was because Michigan hadn't had a contested primary in 20 years.

[BB-61 Iowa]

Hillary lead Sanders in Michigan by 21% in the primaries.

Sanders won by 1.5%

Sanders rigged it, right?

That was because Michigan hadn't had a contested primary in 20 years.

PA, MI, and WI haven't flipped in a similar amount of time so that squares out.

[San Lumen]

That was because Michigan hadn't had a contested primary in 20 years.

PA, MI, and WI haven't flipped in a similar amount of time so that squares out.

but the exit polls where off by five precent or more in all of them including Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In any other country that would scream fraud and would trigger a automatic recount or audit.

[BB-61 Iowa]

PA, MI, and WI haven't flipped in a similar amount of time so that squares out.

but the exit polls where off by five precent or more in all of them including Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In any other country that would scream fraud and would trigger a automatic recount or audit.

Again, primaries.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Instead of all this bickering, we dissolve the republic and install Karl von Habsburg as king.

[San Lumen]

but the exit polls where off by five precent or more in all of them including Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In any other country that would scream fraud and would trigger a automatic recount or audit.

Again, primaries.

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President and Hillary Clinton should order an investigation and the Republican party should as well.

[San Lumen]

Instead of all this bickering, we dissolve the republic and install Karl von Habsburg as king.

Id trade that for getting rid of Trump.

[Occupied Deutschland]

PA, MI, and WI haven't flipped in a similar amount of time so that squares out.

but the exit polls where off by five precent or more in all of them including Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In any other country that would scream fraud and would trigger a automatic recount or audit.

No, it wouldn't. Polls aren't results, and in other countries (well, some other countries) they tend to favor results over mathematically-modeled statistical generations of results based on a smaller data set.

You see, smaller data sets have a tendency to not be as accurate as larger data sets when expanded to attempt and cover those larger data sets. This has been a fundamental tenant of science, both social and physical, since the inception of the concept.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Again, primaries.

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President should order and investigation and the Republican party should.

The politician will never do that. Obama stands to gain nothing and has no motivation to do so. The Republican Party stands either to gain nothing or to lose the presidency and thus has motivation not only not to do so but to impede.

[San Lumen]

but the exit polls where off by five precent or more in all of them including Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In any other country that would scream fraud and would trigger a automatic recount or audit.

No, it wouldn't. Polls aren't results, and in other countries (well, some other countries) they tend to favor results over mathematically-modeled statistical generations of results based on a smaller data set.

You see, smaller data sets have a tendency to not be as accurate as larger data sets. This has been a fundamental tenant of science, both social and physical, since the inception of the concept.

But the margins in the states i mentioned just dont add up. Florida and Pennsylvania especially.

[San Lumen]

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President should order and investigation and the Republican party should.

The politician will never do that. Obama stands to gain nothing and has no motivation to do so. The Republican Party stands either to gain nothing or to lose the presidency and thus has motivation not only not to do so but to impede.

If they truly cared about democracy they would.

[BB-61 Iowa]

Again, primaries.

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President and Hillary Clinton should order an investigation and the Republican party should as well.

"Every result that I don't agree with was rigged"

[The Princes of the Universe]

The politician will never do that. Obama stands to gain nothing and has no motivation to do so. The Republican Party stands either to gain nothing or to lose the presidency and thus has motivation not only not to do so but to impede.

If they truly cared about democracy they would.

They don't. They care only for how much they can get for themselves, nothing more.

[Gauthier]

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President and Hillary Clinton should order an investigation and the Republican party should as well.

"Every result that I don't agree with was rigged"

"The election is rigged, but I won so who cares?"

[Occupied Deutschland]

No, it wouldn't. Polls aren't results, and in other countries (well, some other countries) they tend to favor results over mathematically-modeled statistical generations of results based on a smaller data set.

You see, smaller data sets have a tendency to not be as accurate as larger data sets. This has been a fundamental tenant of science, both social and physical, since the inception of the concept.

But the margins in the states i mentioned just dont add up. Florida and Pennsylvania especially.

The margins you hoped for based on statistical modeling of additional results from a small data set 'don't add up' with the ones actually attained?

Yes. I can see how that would be a problem for you. The trick, you see, is to not base your assumptions on statistical models, but actual results. Puts you more in line with reality, don't'cha'know.

[San Lumen]

and then you have to consider the early vote margins and the numbers in South Florida and in Southeastern Pennsylvania and how it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win and how strange it is he won by one percent in all of them. I dont know about you but that screams fraud to me and the President and Hillary Clinton should order an investigation and the Republican party should as well.

"Every result that I don't agree with was rigged"

When every poll is wrong and early vote makes in mathematically impossible for that candidate to win then yes there is strong evidence to suggest rigging.

[The first Galactic Republic]

"Every result that I don't agree with was rigged"

When every poll is wrong and early vote makes in mathematically impossible for that candidate to win then yes there is strong evidence to suggest rigging.

How does an early vote make any final result mathematically impossible?

[San Lumen]

When every poll is wrong and early vote makes in mathematically impossible for that candidate to win then yes there is strong evidence to suggest rigging.

How does an early vote make any final result mathematically impossible?

based on the polls and numbers the result in Florida makes no sense. I wonder if many governor elections in 2018 will have similar fishy results.

[IceBuddha]

The polling error overall actually wasn't that big this election (off by about 2 points). It was within the margin of error.

[San Lumen]

The polling error overall actually wasn't that big this election (off by about 2 points). It was within the margin of error.

umm did you see the final polls? only one had it within the margin of error. Every other was showing a blowout.

[BB-61 Iowa]

"Every result that I don't agree with was rigged"

"The election is rigged, but I won so who cares?"

I suspect fraud in electronic voting machines.

>People claim there will be fraud using electronic machines favoring Hillary
>"lol stupid conspiracy theorists"
>Trump wins
>"WOW ELECTRONIC MACHINES RIGGED IT FOR TRUMP"

Really makes me think.

[IceBuddha]

The polling error overall actually wasn't that big this election (off by about 2 points). It was within the margin of error.

umm did you see the final polls? only one had it within the margin of error. Every other was showing a blowout.

Clinton had a 3-4 point lead in the final national polls.

She is going to end up winning the PV by 1-2 percentage points. If she had performed 2 points better, she would have won with over 300 electoral votes.

My advice is just to accept it. Trump won the election, Clinton lost.

[The first Galactic Republic]

"The election is rigged, but I won so who cares?"

>People claim there will be fraud using electronic machines favoring Hillary
>"lol stupid conspiracy theorists"
>Trump wins
>"WOW ELECTRONIC MACHINES RIGGED IT FOR TRUMP"

Really makes me think.

People cling to anything that makes denialism seem well, more grounded.

I'm getting flashbacks to Trump supporters being so sure Hillary would be arrested.

[San Lumen]

umm did you see the final polls? only one had it within the margin of error. Every other was showing a blowout.

Clinton had a 3-4 point lead in the final national polls.

She is going to end up winning the PV by 1-2 percentage points. If she had performed 2 points better, she would have won with over 300 electoral votes.

My advice is just to accept it. Trump won the election, Clinton lost.

I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Clinton had a 3-4 point lead in the final national polls.
She is going to end up winning the PV by 1-2 percentage points. If she had performed 2 points better, she would have won with over 300 electoral votes.
My advice is just to accept it. Trump won the election, Clinton lost.

I won't . I will never call him President. I and many other I know think there was massive fraud in his favor. I wonder if the same will happen for governor elections in 2018.

We're not going to live that long.