Why do people have a dystopian outlook of a trump presidency

[Dushan]

Exclusively because of California and New York City, both of which by definition- are going to be Democratic party loyalists under normal circumstances.

and yet exit polls dont match by almost 5 points in Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Michigan and Wisconsin.It was mathematically impossible for Trump to win Florida with the early vote and the numbers in South Florida and to win by one percent in every battleground state? Something seems way off and it should be investigated.

In any other country that would be grounds for a contested election. Why is no one contesting it?

So how was the "Fraud" done then? How was it possible?

There wasn't fraud. But there was Meme Magic.

Deal with it.

[New haven america]

Popular Vote results disagree, by 1.3 mil.

That only should be grounds for audit. I dont know why Obama isn't calling for it. I would.

Actually, now it's 1.5 mil. Yep, we need an audit on this.

He's not calling one because of the civil unrest that would be caused by the angry Trump supporters calling the action undemocratic. He should call one, but it's not going to happen.

[San Lumen]

That only should be grounds for audit. I dont know why Obama isn't calling for it. I would.

Actually, now it's 1.5 mil. Yep, we need an audit on this.

He's not calling one because of the civil unrest that would be caused by the angry Trump supporters calling the action undemocratic. He should call one, but it's not going to happen.

Who cares about the unrest? It would be the right thing to do.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Actually, now it's 1.5 mil. Yep, we need an audit on this.
He's not calling one because of the civil unrest that would be caused by the angry Trump supporters calling the action undemocratic. He should call one, but it's not going to happen.

Who cares about the unrest? It would be the right thing to do.

When faced with a choice between what is easy and what is right, the politician will opt for the former 100% of the time.

[New haven america]

and yet exit polls dont match by almost 5 points in Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Michigan and Wisconsin.It was mathematically impossible for Trump to win Florida with the early vote and the numbers in South Florida and to win by one percent in every battleground state? Something seems way off and it should be investigated.

In any other country that would be grounds for a contested election. Why is no one contesting it?

So how was the "Fraud" done then? How was it possible?

There wasn't fraud. But there was Meme Magic.

Deal with it.

Oh, there are multiple ways: hacking, blocking voters, etc...

Considering Russia's admitted connection to Trump during the campaign, and the multiple illegal activities Trump has played a part in in the past (Charity fraud, racketeering, etc...) I wouldn't be surprised if he played a part in election fraud.

[San Lumen]

and yet exit polls dont match by almost 5 points in Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Michigan and Wisconsin.It was mathematically impossible for Trump to win Florida with the early vote and the numbers in South Florida and to win by one percent in every battleground state? Something seems way off and it should be investigated.

In any other country that would be grounds for a contested election. Why is no one contesting it?

So how was the "Fraud" done then? How was it possible?

There wasn't fraud. But there was Meme Magic.

Deal with it.

I suspect fraud in electronic voting machines.

[The Wolven League]

So i have read and some are scarred, some are happy, and some just dont give two shits about it. Then some proceed to say Trump will cause ww3 and nuclear war, and ruin some good laws passed in recent years like gay marriage. Then they dont account for congress preventing trumps big fuck ups and make sure Trump's presidency is a positive. Many things will not change and congress can stop executive orders from going into action, and with the divided GOP and the dems in congress they would have a really good chance in shooting down the insane proposals like killing families of terrorists.

So your thoughts?

Most millennial voters have only lived under Democratic presidents.

Oh, yeah, forgot that Bush was a Dem.

[New haven america]

Who cares about the unrest? It would be the right thing to do.

When faced with a choice between what is easy and what is right, the politician will opt for the former 100% of the time.

Unless it goes against what the politician wants.

Trump has sworn to get rid of the work Obama has done over the past 8 years, honestly, calling an audit would be the most logical option.

[Occupied Deutschland]

That only should be grounds for audit. I dont know why Obama isn't calling for it. I would.

Actually, now it's 1.5 mil. Yep, we need an audit on this...

This is not how 'audits', IE recounts or elections, particulary in the US, work.

Jesus fuckballs, people. There was a REASON Al Gore contested the count in 2000. It wasn't because he won the popular vote. It's because Florida was close and had some wonky-ass balloting procedures. This is not the case with Pennsylvania, Michigan AND Wisconsin all going red, two of them by margins large enough that popular vote margins recounts usually get tossed into (.5% or less) don't apply. Having a bunch of folks voting Hill in NYC and LA doesn't magically transport them into WI or PA.

[BB-61 Iowa]

So how was the "Fraud" done then? How was it possible?

There wasn't fraud. But there was Meme Magic.

Deal with it.

I suspect fraud in electronic voting machines.

>People claim there will be fraud using electronic machines favoring Hillary
>"lol stupid conspiracy theorists"
>Trump wins
>"WOW ELECTRONIC MACHINES RIGGED IT FOR TRUMP"

Really makes me think.

[San Lumen]

Actually, now it's 1.5 mil. Yep, we need an audit on this...

This is not how 'audits', IE recounts or elections, particulary in the US, work.

Jesus fuckballs, people. There was a REASON Al Gore contested the count in 2000. It wasn't because he won the popular vote. It's because Florida was close and had some wonky-ass balloting procedures. This is not the case with Pennsylvania, Michigan AND Wisconsin all going red, two of them by margins large enough that popular vote margins recounts usually get tossed into (.5% or less) don't apply. Having a bunch of folks voting Hill in NYC and LA doesn't magically transport them into WI or PA.

I didn't say it did but when every poll is off and exit polls have such a big discrepancy something points to fraud.

[The Princes of the Universe]

When faced with a choice between what is easy and what is right, the politician will opt for the former 100% of the time.

Unless it goes against what the politician wants.
Trump has sworn to get rid of the work Obama has done over the past 8 years, honestly, calling an audit would be the most logical option.

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

[San Lumen]

Unless it goes against what the politician wants.
Trump has sworn to get rid of the work Obama has done over the past 8 years, honestly, calling an audit would be the most logical option.

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

ensuring that his successor won fairly and not through fraud.

[New haven america]

Unless it goes against what the politician wants.
Trump has sworn to get rid of the work Obama has done over the past 8 years, honestly, calling an audit would be the most logical option.

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

[The Princes of the Universe]

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

ensuring that his successor won fairly and not through fraud.

The politician doesn't give a flying fuck about fairness.

[Occupied Deutschland]

This is not how 'audits', IE recounts or elections, particulary in the US, work.

Jesus fuckballs, people. There was a REASON Al Gore contested the count in 2000. It wasn't because he won the popular vote. It's because Florida was close and had some wonky-ass balloting procedures. This is not the case with Pennsylvania, Michigan AND Wisconsin all going red, two of them by margins large enough that popular vote margins recounts usually get tossed into (.5% or less) don't apply. Having a bunch of folks voting Hill in NYC and LA doesn't magically transport them into WI or PA.

I didn't say it did but when every poll is off and exit polls have such a big discrepancy something points to fraud.

Actually, something points to polls being ill-suited to the climate of this election year.
You know. Like every news station has been reporting on extensively since the election. You do know what a margin of error is, right? Because the results we got are WELL within the margin of error of those polls.
People just didn't think it'd happen because the polls didn't actually reflect reality. A challenge every election cycle (as seen in 2012 when Romney consistently thought he was polling magically well and Nate 'Not so much of a prophet anymore' Silver was one of the few singing a different tune).

[San Lumen]

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

I really fail to understand why he isn't doing it.

[The Princes of the Universe]

The politician wants more for himself at everyone else's expense. What would Obama stand to gain with an audit? He's out regardless.

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

How would those policies remaining in place help him? As has already been pointed out, he's leaving office in two months no matter what. As for helping the party, again, he's leaving in two months. Why should he care about that when he's already got his?

[San Lumen]

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

How would those policies remaining in place help him? As has already been pointed out, he's leaving office in two months no matter what. As for helping the party, again, he's leaving in two months. Why should he care about that when he's already got his?

Ummm maybe caring if there is actually a country and world in four years and not a dystopian wasteland.

[New haven america]

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

How would those policies remaining in place help him? As has already been pointed out, he's leaving office in two months no matter what. As for helping the party, again, he's leaving in two months. Why should he care about that when he's already got his?

To make sure his party still has power, duh.

Why do you think Clinton and Bush support and help candidates during election season, or council other Presidents? Just because they're not the activing President anymore doesn't mean they don't want to help their party or government.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Everyone predicting Hillary was in the lead to me just seems like an extension of ignoring Trump the whole election. Only paying as much attention as absolutely necessary. Look how that turned out.

[The Princes of the Universe]

How would those policies remaining in place help him? As has already been pointed out, he's leaving office in two months no matter what. As for helping the party, again, he's leaving in two months. Why should he care about that when he's already got his?

Ummm maybe caring if there is actually a country and world in four years and not a dystopian wasteland.

Thinking that politicians care about anyone but themselves... Cute.

How would those policies remaining in place help him? As has already been pointed out, he's leaving office in two months no matter what. As for helping the party, again, he's leaving in two months. Why should he care about that when he's already got his?

To make sure his party still has power, duh.
Why do you think Clinton and Bush support and help candidates during election season, or council other Presidents? Just because they're not the active President anymore doesn't mean they don't want to help their party or government.

I suppose I forgot to factor in the potential for attention whoring.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Making sure the vote was actually fair, keeping his policies that help him and his party would stay for another 4-8 years, etc...

I really fail to understand why he isn't doing it.

Because he understands how polls work, and how results can fall outside of the expectations those polls establish.

Basically, the same reason people think Brexit actually happened instead of attempting to substitute their own reality onto the business because it better suits their partisan feelings.

[San Lumen]

I really fail to understand why he isn't doing it.

Because he understands how polls work, and how results can fall outside of the expectations those polls establish.

Basically, the same reason people think Brexit actually happened instead of attempting to substitute their own reality onto the business because it better suits their partisan feelings.

Umm not by a margin like they did this year. We haven't had a polling miss like this since 1948. The polls in Brexit where within the margin of error.

[BB-61 Iowa]

Because he understands how polls work, and how results can fall outside of the expectations those polls establish.

Basically, the same reason people think Brexit actually happened instead of attempting to substitute their own reality onto the business because it better suits their partisan feelings.

Umm not by a margin like they did this year. We haven't had a polling miss like this since 1948. The polls in Brexit where within the margin of error.

Hillary lead Sanders in Michigan by 21% in the primaries.

Sanders won by 1.5%

Sanders rigged it, right?